La Vuelta 2021 - Stage 9: Puerto Lumbreras > Alto de Velefique - 188kms **Spoilers**
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70 kPross said:Superb solo victory for Caruso, not sure how long he was solo but was out front when I first turned on halfway up the long climb. Mas does a great job of leading out Roglic to second. Haig leads in the group of Yates and Lopez with Bernal shedding probably a minute or so.
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Poor Landa. He'd struggle to win a one-up sprintIt's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0
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Ineos miss Nico Portal hugely, in lots of waysIt's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0
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Not sure there was much wrong with the tactics, the riders just didn't have the form to make them work. I thought Yates had Roglic on the ropes briefly until Movistar helped him out.0
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What Yates first gapped them all, was he then called back for Bernal? If so, that was a mistake I think.Pross said:Not sure there was much wrong with the tactics, the riders just didn't have the form to make them work. I thought Yates had Roglic on the ropes briefly until Movistar helped him out.
It also seems Ineos haven't nailed their prep right again.0 -
I don't think it's prep. They just aren't as good as the others. Their only top top riders are Ganna and Pidcock.Dorset_Boy said:
What Yates first gapped them all, was he then called back for Bernal? If so, that was a mistake I think.Pross said:Not sure there was much wrong with the tactics, the riders just didn't have the form to make them work. I thought Yates had Roglic on the ropes briefly until Movistar helped him out.
It also seems Ineos haven't nailed their prep right again."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
Are we now agreed that Landa isn’t a genuine GC contender and should focus elsewhere now.Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.0
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Other than Rog possibly fading in the final week(s) I don't think Ineos have any answer to Rog and Pog. The riders they've got aren't good enough.
Just my opinion of course.“You may think that; I couldn’t possibly comment!”
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Bernal won the Giro just over 2 months ago.gsk82 said:
I don't think it's prep. They just aren't as good as the others. Their only top top riders are Ganna and Pidcock.Dorset_Boy said:
What Yates first gapped them all, was he then called back for Bernal? If so, that was a mistake I think.Pross said:Not sure there was much wrong with the tactics, the riders just didn't have the form to make them work. I thought Yates had Roglic on the ropes briefly until Movistar helped him out.
It also seems Ineos haven't nailed their prep right again.0 -
They've got the winners of 4 out of the last 8 grand tours, but that still doesn't mean they've got a top top rider in the GC.andyp said:
Bernal won the Giro just over 2 months ago.gsk82 said:
I don't think it's prep. They just aren't as good as the others. Their only top top riders are Ganna and Pidcock.Dorset_Boy said:
What Yates first gapped them all, was he then called back for Bernal? If so, that was a mistake I think.Pross said:Not sure there was much wrong with the tactics, the riders just didn't have the form to make them work. I thought Yates had Roglic on the ropes briefly until Movistar helped him out.
It also seems Ineos haven't nailed their prep right again.0 -
I minor detail I know but what happened to Roglic at the Giro? Would Bernal have won?andyp said:
Bernal won the Giro just over 2 months ago.gsk82 said:
I don't think it's prep. They just aren't as good as the others. Their only top top riders are Ganna and Pidcock.Dorset_Boy said:
What Yates first gapped them all, was he then called back for Bernal? If so, that was a mistake I think.Pross said:Not sure there was much wrong with the tactics, the riders just didn't have the form to make them work. I thought Yates had Roglic on the ropes briefly until Movistar helped him out.
It also seems Ineos haven't nailed their prep right again.“You may think that; I couldn’t possibly comment!”
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The reality is that there are currently two GC riders in a different league to all the rest.
Ineos have the next best and possibly 5 of the next best 10.
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True dat.mrb123 said:The reality is that there are currently two GC riders in a different league to all the rest.
Ineos have the next best and possibly 5 of the next best 10.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.1 -
Bit sad watching my left field breakaway ptp pick Bardet on the final climb drop his chain then drop 5 1/2 minutes in the last 6km. Close, but I don't smoke anyway. Fuerza.0
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Carapaz was quicker around last year's Vuelta than Roglic, who only won due to the shortened race and the bonus seconds he won with his 150m sprints.mrb123 said:The reality is that there are currently two GC riders in a different league to all the rest.
Ineos have the next best and possibly 5 of the next best 10.0 -
Roglic was pretty impressive bridging the gap. Demoralising for the rest I imagine.
Jak Haig looked good.0 -
That is easy to do when the best riders are not there.andyp said:
Bernal won the Giro just over 2 months ago.gsk82 said:
I don't think it's prep. They just aren't as good as the others. Their only top top riders are Ganna and Pidcock.Dorset_Boy said:
What Yates first gapped them all, was he then called back for Bernal? If so, that was a mistake I think.Pross said:Not sure there was much wrong with the tactics, the riders just didn't have the form to make them work. I thought Yates had Roglic on the ropes briefly until Movistar helped him out.
It also seems Ineos haven't nailed their prep right again.1 -
It is not just Roglic and Pogacar, Jumbo-Visma got domestiques who can beat Ineos by themselves too.dabber said:Other than Rog possibly fading in the final week(s) I don't think Ineos have any answer to Rog and Pog. The riders they've got aren't good enough.
Just my opinion of course.
When Roglic had to abandon the TdF, someone from Ineos should have gotten an easy 2nd place.
Yet it was a domestique from Jumbo-Visma who took 2nd and he did it without much help from his team as Van Aert went for his own glory runs.
What Ineos simply needed to do was finding the next Chris Froome. And they missed it as he rides for UAE for a long time.0 -
I thought according to your first post on here the future of cycling was a triathlete on an indoor trainer.zest28 said:
It is not just Roglic and Pogacar, Jumbo-Visma got domestiques who can beat Ineos by themselves too.dabber said:Other than Rog possibly fading in the final week(s) I don't think Ineos have any answer to Rog and Pog. The riders they've got aren't good enough.
Just my opinion of course.
When Roglic had to abandon the TdF, someone from Ineos should have gotten an easy 2nd place.
Yet it was a domestique from Jumbo-Visma who took 2nd and he did it without much help from his team as Van Aert went for his own glory runs.
What Ineos simply needed to do was finding the next Chris Froome. And they missed it as he rides for UAE for a long time.0 -
Yes, it's very simple to win a Grand Tour. Barely worth a mention as all cyclists win one or more at some point.zest28 said:
That is easy to do when the best riders are not there.andyp said:
Bernal won the Giro just over 2 months ago.gsk82 said:
I don't think it's prep. They just aren't as good as the others. Their only top top riders are Ganna and Pidcock.Dorset_Boy said:
What Yates first gapped them all, was he then called back for Bernal? If so, that was a mistake I think.Pross said:Not sure there was much wrong with the tactics, the riders just didn't have the form to make them work. I thought Yates had Roglic on the ropes briefly until Movistar helped him out.
It also seems Ineos haven't nailed their prep right again.0 -
Can't help but feel Landa isn't good under pressure / as the team's focus. His best performances seem to have been when he's been a no.2 / domestique - see 2015 Giro (supporting Aru, 3rd on GC) and 2017 Tour (supporting Froome, 4th on GC by 1 sec).amrushton said:
His chance was when he was leading Aru around the Giro, since then he hasn't fared well. Just better riders and worse luckgweeds said:Are we now agreed that Landa isn’t a genuine GC contender and should focus elsewhere now.
Whenever he's been leader he's had a shocker of a day somewhere or a crash (or it seems that way). Or he's not known if he's leader or not so he's been ok-ish (The Movistar years...)1 -
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Don't think it has anything to do with pressure. I think Landa just isn't good enough in general. When he isn't the captain he gets more room from other contenders and can sometimes capitalize to a point. It's not enough to win, but it may be enough to podium. He is Richie Porte level, not genuine contender level. It's not a slight. Not everyone is highest tier.yorkshireraw said:
Can't help but feel Landa isn't good under pressure / as the team's focus. His best performances seem to have been when he's been a no.2 / domestique - see 2015 Giro (supporting Aru, 3rd on GC) and 2017 Tour (supporting Froome, 4th on GC by 1 sec).amrushton said:
His chance was when he was leading Aru around the Giro, since then he hasn't fared well. Just better riders and worse luckgweeds said:Are we now agreed that Landa isn’t a genuine GC contender and should focus elsewhere now.
Whenever he's been leader he's had a shocker of a day somewhere or a crash (or it seems that way). Or he's not known if he's leader or not so he's been ok-ish (The Movistar years...)
Landa, Porte, Bardet, Pinot, Majka, Kruiswijk, Caruso, Mollema... are all good, but all lack a certain aspect of riding that is required to be the best.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230 -
Porte has probably won more than the rest of that list put together.m.r.m. said:
Don't think it has anything to do with pressure. I think Landa just isn't good enough in general. When he isn't the captain he gets more room from other contenders and can sometimes capitalize to a point. It's not enough to win, but it may be enough to podium. He is Richie Porte level, not genuine contender level. It's not a slight. Not everyone is highest tier.yorkshireraw said:
Can't help but feel Landa isn't good under pressure / as the team's focus. His best performances seem to have been when he's been a no.2 / domestique - see 2015 Giro (supporting Aru, 3rd on GC) and 2017 Tour (supporting Froome, 4th on GC by 1 sec).amrushton said:
His chance was when he was leading Aru around the Giro, since then he hasn't fared well. Just better riders and worse luckgweeds said:Are we now agreed that Landa isn’t a genuine GC contender and should focus elsewhere now.
Whenever he's been leader he's had a shocker of a day somewhere or a crash (or it seems that way). Or he's not known if he's leader or not so he's been ok-ish (The Movistar years...)
Landa, Porte, Bardet, Pinot, Majka, Kruiswijk, Caruso, Mollema... are all good, but all lack a certain aspect of riding that is required to be the best."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
The context is obviously winning a GT.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230