Ineos Tour tactics ***SPOILERS***
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That doesn't look great for Thomas.kingstongraham said:
That's a potential issue, but in this case, here's when Colbrelli crossed the line in 27th place, with Thomas in 28th indicated with a red arrow.Pross said:It's the issue on these types of finishes, the peloton gets spread out so that 1 second actual gap to the wheel in front becomes quite substantial on the GC. I would say it's not the sort of climb that suits Geraint but to answer Rick's question about if he were on Tour winning form, from memory of 2018 he was highly placed on the same finish. That said, I still think Pogacar and Roglic have slight question marks on how well they will manage in the high mountains if put under pressure by a (Tour winning form) Thomas and Carapaz.
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Prologues are good indicators of GT form. So, for example, this year's Giro was won by Evenopoel with Carthy and Yates completing the podium.DeVlaeminck said:rick_chasey said:
Friebe agrees with it, FWIW. And yes, it probably is.TheBigBean said:
Isn't this just an extension of your prologue theory which no one agrees with?rick_chasey said:17s nowadays is material.
Though if Rog finished 17s ahead of Pog in a MTF we'd be calling it Rog's to lose.
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It's very different staying in the group with Roglic and Alaphillippe, and not sprinting for the win like he did in 2018. Yesterday he was on the front of his group, going (I assume) as hard as he could to reduce the time lost.
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Ineos has been stopped . Not good for them . They need a performance in the TT. And get Ritchie up the road ... Tall order. They could get lucky with some wind but that's like trying to fix your finances by buying a lottery ticket plus they could be the ones caught out ."If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Hadn't seen that before, that really is a worrying gap. It was noticeable that Porte didn't seem to have a response on the front when the attacks started but not sure if that was as he didn't have the legs himself or because Thomas couldn't hold if he did.kingstongraham said:
That's a potential issue, but in this case, here's when Colbrelli crossed the line in 27th place, with Thomas in 28th indicated with a red arrow.Pross said:It's the issue on these types of finishes, the peloton gets spread out so that 1 second actual gap to the wheel in front becomes quite substantial on the GC. I would say it's not the sort of climb that suits Geraint but to answer Rick's question about if he were on Tour winning form, from memory of 2018 he was highly placed on the same finish. That said, I still think Pogacar and Roglic have slight question marks on how well they will manage in the high mountains if put under pressure by a (Tour winning form) Thomas and Carapaz.
The TT will be interesting, you would think he'd have a chance to grab a few seconds back but his Dauphine TT was poor.0 -
I think this year's Tour has been greatly enhanced by not having a prologue.TheBigBean said:
Prologues are good indicators of GT form. So, for example, this year's Giro was won by Evenopoel with Carthy and Yates completing the podium.DeVlaeminck said:rick_chasey said:
Friebe agrees with it, FWIW. And yes, it probably is.TheBigBean said:
Isn't this just an extension of your prologue theory which no one agrees with?rick_chasey said:17s nowadays is material.
Though if Rog finished 17s ahead of Pog in a MTF we'd be calling it Rog's to lose.
Can someone refresh me as to what Rick's prologue theory is please ?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
Events have happened and it's surely it's all in for Carapaz now, no?
Ritchie was never actually going to happen, Tao would have been great but no one really thought it was realistic, Gee's performance yesterday is a strong indication that this is not his year, so...We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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Why? They are only separated by 10 seconds and there's a TT in a couple of days.ddraver said:Events have happened and it's surely it's all in for Carapaz now, no?
Ritchie was never actually going to happen, Tao would have been great but no one really thought it was realistic, Gee's performance yesterday is a strong indication that this is not his year, so...0 -
I'd have thought there's a 90% chance that after the TT, Thomas will be ahead of Carapaz on GC.1
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That ^^^ aged well.0
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Wonder how long before the answer to the thread is "stage hunting"?Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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Well, things have changed a bit again now!0
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Carapaz still the most likely though0
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This whole thread is basically just predictions going wrongWarning No formatter is installed for the format1
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It's what happens when people react to the first stage of a GT as though it is the race over.0
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So... New tactics, same as the old tactics, if Geraint can ride a TT ok.
Carapaz the big winner from today's carnage, Roglic the big loser (also lost Gesink, his team is looking pretty battered now), Geraint lost then won...
Both Geraint and Roglic will need to assess injuries, both have previous for fighting on, though Thomas riding a full tour as domestique with a crack in his pelvis is up there for braveryWarning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
It's Fuglsang's time to shine, even though he came here for stages.RichN95. said:Tao's going to Pereiro it.
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Quintana to win the GC having been completely missed on the startlist by most.1
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There are quite a few looking at the GC and thinking... "Maybe..."Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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I wonder what Jumbo are thinking about van Aert being 30" off yellow and ahead of Roglic by a minute? I know he's targeting yellow in the TT already, what happens if he gains another 30" on a banged up Roglic?Warning No formatter is installed for the format0
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Jumbo are quite unimaginative. Can’t see it myselfNo_Ta_Doctor said:I wonder what Jumbo are thinking about van Aert being 30" off yellow and ahead of Roglic by a minute? I know he's targeting yellow in the TT already, what happens if he gains another 30" on a banged up Roglic?
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What would they be thinking though? "After some 'classics style' stages, our classics rider is ahead of our GC rider so therefore we should go with him for GC?"
Even though at no point has anyone considered him a GC riderWe're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
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What would they be thinking though? "After some 'classics style' stages, our classics rider is ahead of our GC rider so therefore we should go with him for GC?"
Even though at no point has anyone considered him a GC rider
But should he have dropped back to help the chase? He's a big engine. It's similar to last year in the crosswinds when he saved himself for the sprint (which to be fair he won) rather than driving the gap to Pogacar.Twitter: @RichN950 -
To the point that he made the small group selection yesterday and still didn't go for the sprint to gain a bonification or two.rick_chasey said:
Jumbo are quite unimaginative. Can’t see it myselfNo_Ta_Doctor said:I wonder what Jumbo are thinking about van Aert being 30" off yellow and ahead of Roglic by a minute? I know he's targeting yellow in the TT already, what happens if he gains another 30" on a banged up Roglic?
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