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MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
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Waddya say? White jersey winner in Paris in a few weeks time.

Stake your reputation below....
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The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.

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  • TheBigBeanTheBigBean Posts: 18,150
    Pogacar. Who else would it be? No Bernal.
  • Dorset_BoyDorset_Boy Posts: 5,906
    Very difficult to see beyond Pogacar.
  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 13,111
    Dorset_Boy said:

    Very difficult to see beyond Pogacar.

    Very
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  • ProssPross Posts: 35,500
    I assume MF had forgotten he was still (comfortably) in white jersey territory.
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 22,372
    Thread complete.
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  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 13,111
    He could crash out .... Who's number 2 ?
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  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 11,425
    Is white jersey still 25 and under or did it get reduced to 23? Can't remember.
  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 20,520
    So far, there's not a lot of competition in any case.
    Pogacar's team mate McNulty, Neilson Powless and Sergio Higuita, Roglic's water boy, Vingegaard (so no chance really) and the one, obvious suspect: David Gaudu.
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  • jimmyjamsjimmyjams Posts: 545
    I would like to see the White Jersey based on placings just between eligible riders on each stage, rather than on GC time differences. It gets boring when potential overall-GC winners also dominate the White Jersey competition (and also the Mountains jersey competition).

    Pogacar may have still won it last year, but with less gap between him and the likes of Martinez, Kämna, and Hirschi, who were well back on time, but would have been much closer if the competition were based just on stage placings between eligible riders.

    The Tour organisers have no sense of how to differentiate between different competitions, and how that might also often enliven the stages - which in turn might sometimes enliven the GC competition.
  • ProssPross Posts: 35,500
    To be fair, it hasn't been common for riders to win yellow and white. Pogacar and Bernal did it but it hadn't been done for 10 years before Bernal and only 6 riders have done it in 38 years.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 26,539
    Pross said:

    To be fair, it hasn't been common for riders to win yellow and white. Pogacar and Bernal did it but it hadn't been done for 10 years before Bernal and only 6 riders have done it in 38 years.


    I'd like it to be for debutants under a certain age. That way someone like Pogacar/Schleck/Ullrich can't win for several years.
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  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Pross said:

    I assume MF had forgotten he was still (comfortably) in white jersey territory.

    this totally - I am a dunderhead.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • phreakphreak Posts: 2,709
    It's a largely meaningless jersey anyway, isn't it?
  • gsk82gsk82 Posts: 3,251
    jimmyjams said:

    I would like to see the White Jersey based on placings just between eligible riders on each stage, rather than on GC time differences. It gets boring when potential overall-GC winners also dominate the White Jersey competition (and also the Mountains jersey competition).

    Pogacar may have still won it last year, but with less gap between him and the likes of Martinez, Kämna, and Hirschi, who were well back on time, but would have been much closer if the competition were based just on stage placings between eligible riders.

    The Tour organisers have no sense of how to differentiate between different competitions, and how that might also often enliven the stages - which in turn might sometimes enliven the GC competition.

    Then it would be the best young riders points Jersey
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 66,308 Lives Here
    Think we're at the beginning of a long dynasty in the Tour GC world.
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  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 8,353
    phreak said:

    It's a largely meaningless jersey anyway, isn't it?

    Yes pretty much.

    Just for fun what jersey might they replace it with that would add something to the race?

    Maybe time spent in a break - suppose that could be controversial as to what constitutes a break.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 66,308 Lives Here
    DeVlaeminck said:

    phreak said:

    It's a largely meaningless jersey anyway, isn't it?

    Yes pretty much.

    Just for fun what jersey might they replace it with that would add something to the race?

    Maybe time spent in a break - suppose that could be controversial as to what constitutes a break.
    That's quite easy, when race radio calls it a break.
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  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 22,372
    DeVlaeminck said:

    phreak said:

    It's a largely meaningless jersey anyway, isn't it?

    Yes pretty much.

    Just for fun what jersey might they replace it with that would add something to the race?

    Maybe time spent in a break - suppose that could be controversial as to what constitutes a break.
    White jersey is for young Tour debutantes only?
    Pogacar would still have got his last year but couldn't repeat it, and must be rare enough. Maybe?
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  • ProssPross Posts: 35,500
    DeVlaeminck said:

    phreak said:

    It's a largely meaningless jersey anyway, isn't it?

    Yes pretty much.

    Just for fun what jersey might they replace it with that would add something to the race?

    Maybe time spent in a break - suppose that could be controversial as to what constitutes a break.
    They do it in the Giro don't they? Break has a maximum size. I'm slightly torn on whether riders should be rewarded just for riding off the front in a doomed break - maybe double the points for any members of the break that get to the finish before the peloton.

    I would go with Rich's suggestion of a Virgin jersey but wouldn't have an age limit on it.
  • No_Ta_DoctorNo_Ta_Doctor Posts: 11,974
    To be honest, I don't think it needs fixing. I think we should just accept that if a young rider wins the tour it's pretty exceptional. I mean, I've often heard it mentioned wrt Merckx's clean sweep of the jerseys in 69 that *if* there had been a young riders jersey he'd have won that too.

    As for @rick_chasey 's "dynasty".. I suspect we'll see plenty of competition. Bernal is still top class, Remco is a potential huge talent, and Pidcock looks very promising as well. Vingegaard could develop nicely, Sivakov hasn't reached full potential and I don't think Tao has either. That's just off the top of my head, with no idea what sort of jnr talent might be out there in e.g. Colombia, Spain, Italy (I'm going to write off France for the usual reasons ...)
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  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 13,111
    edited June 2021
    A silver jersey for over 36 would be more fun
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 20,520
    edited June 2021
    mididoctors said:

    A silver jersey for over 36 would be more fun

    That's just as much of a certainty as Pogacar for the white.
    There's a 40 year old Spanish bloke........
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  • gsk82gsk82 Posts: 3,251
    blazing_saddles said:

    mididoctors said:

    A silver jersey for over 36 would be more fun

    That's just as much of a certainty as Pogacar for the white.
    There's a 40 year old Spanish bloke........
    He'd target it too 😂
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  • mididoctorsmididoctors Posts: 13,111
    gsk82 said:

    blazing_saddles said:

    mididoctors said:

    A silver jersey for over 36 would be more fun

    That's just as much of a certainty as Pogacar for the white.
    There's a 40 year old Spanish bloke........
    He'd target it too 😂
    Still be a better watch . How old is Caruso ?
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • bm5bm5 Posts: 490
    Caruso 33
    The Spanish bloke is 41
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