White jersey winner - go on then...
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Pogacar. Who else would it be? No Bernal.0
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Very difficult to see beyond Pogacar.0
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VeryDorset_Boy said:Very difficult to see beyond Pogacar.
"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
I assume MF had forgotten he was still (comfortably) in white jersey territory.0
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Thread complete.The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
He could crash out .... Who's number 2 ?"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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Is white jersey still 25 and under or did it get reduced to 23? Can't remember.0
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So far, there's not a lot of competition in any case.
Pogacar's team mate McNulty, Neilson Powless and Sergio Higuita, Roglic's water boy, Vingegaard (so no chance really) and the one, obvious suspect: David Gaudu."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
I would like to see the White Jersey based on placings just between eligible riders on each stage, rather than on GC time differences. It gets boring when potential overall-GC winners also dominate the White Jersey competition (and also the Mountains jersey competition).
Pogacar may have still won it last year, but with less gap between him and the likes of Martinez, Kämna, and Hirschi, who were well back on time, but would have been much closer if the competition were based just on stage placings between eligible riders.
The Tour organisers have no sense of how to differentiate between different competitions, and how that might also often enliven the stages - which in turn might sometimes enliven the GC competition.0 -
To be fair, it hasn't been common for riders to win yellow and white. Pogacar and Bernal did it but it hadn't been done for 10 years before Bernal and only 6 riders have done it in 38 years.0
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Pross said:
To be fair, it hasn't been common for riders to win yellow and white. Pogacar and Bernal did it but it hadn't been done for 10 years before Bernal and only 6 riders have done it in 38 years.
I'd like it to be for debutants under a certain age. That way someone like Pogacar/Schleck/Ullrich can't win for several years.Twitter: @RichN950 -
It's a largely meaningless jersey anyway, isn't it?0
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Then it would be the best young riders points Jerseyjimmyjams said:I would like to see the White Jersey based on placings just between eligible riders on each stage, rather than on GC time differences. It gets boring when potential overall-GC winners also dominate the White Jersey competition (and also the Mountains jersey competition).
Pogacar may have still won it last year, but with less gap between him and the likes of Martinez, Kämna, and Hirschi, who were well back on time, but would have been much closer if the competition were based just on stage placings between eligible riders.
The Tour organisers have no sense of how to differentiate between different competitions, and how that might also often enliven the stages - which in turn might sometimes enliven the GC competition."Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
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Yes pretty much.phreak said:It's a largely meaningless jersey anyway, isn't it?
Just for fun what jersey might they replace it with that would add something to the race?
Maybe time spent in a break - suppose that could be controversial as to what constitutes a break.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0 -
That's quite easy, when race radio calls it a break.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes pretty much.phreak said:It's a largely meaningless jersey anyway, isn't it?
Just for fun what jersey might they replace it with that would add something to the race?
Maybe time spent in a break - suppose that could be controversial as to what constitutes a break.0 -
White jersey is for young Tour debutantes only?DeVlaeminck said:
Yes pretty much.phreak said:It's a largely meaningless jersey anyway, isn't it?
Just for fun what jersey might they replace it with that would add something to the race?
Maybe time spent in a break - suppose that could be controversial as to what constitutes a break.
Pogacar would still have got his last year but couldn't repeat it, and must be rare enough. Maybe?The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
I am not sure. You have no chance.Veronese68 wrote:PB is the most sensible person on here.0 -
They do it in the Giro don't they? Break has a maximum size. I'm slightly torn on whether riders should be rewarded just for riding off the front in a doomed break - maybe double the points for any members of the break that get to the finish before the peloton.DeVlaeminck said:
Yes pretty much.phreak said:It's a largely meaningless jersey anyway, isn't it?
Just for fun what jersey might they replace it with that would add something to the race?
Maybe time spent in a break - suppose that could be controversial as to what constitutes a break.
I would go with Rich's suggestion of a Virgin jersey but wouldn't have an age limit on it.0 -
To be honest, I don't think it needs fixing. I think we should just accept that if a young rider wins the tour it's pretty exceptional. I mean, I've often heard it mentioned wrt Merckx's clean sweep of the jerseys in 69 that *if* there had been a young riders jersey he'd have won that too.
As for @rick_chasey 's "dynasty".. I suspect we'll see plenty of competition. Bernal is still top class, Remco is a potential huge talent, and Pidcock looks very promising as well. Vingegaard could develop nicely, Sivakov hasn't reached full potential and I don't think Tao has either. That's just off the top of my head, with no idea what sort of jnr talent might be out there in e.g. Colombia, Spain, Italy (I'm going to write off France for the usual reasons ...)Warning No formatter is installed for the format0 -
A silver jersey for over 36 would be more fun"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0
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That's just as much of a certainty as Pogacar for the white.mididoctors said:A silver jersey for over 36 would be more fun
There's a 40 year old Spanish bloke........"Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
He'd target it too 😂blazing_saddles said:
That's just as much of a certainty as Pogacar for the white.mididoctors said:A silver jersey for over 36 would be more fun
There's a 40 year old Spanish bloke........"Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago0 -
Still be a better watch . How old is Caruso ?gsk82 said:
He'd target it too 😂blazing_saddles said:
That's just as much of a certainty as Pogacar for the white.mididoctors said:A silver jersey for over 36 would be more fun
There's a 40 year old Spanish bloke........"If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm0 -
Caruso 33
The Spanish bloke is 410
