Alternatives to GP5000TL

vegas76

So I ride tubeless with GP5000 tyres. They are an absolute nightmare to put on the wheels (Hunt Limitless) and I don't bother to carry any spares because of the difficulty in putting them on.

Unfortunately had a puncture yesterday which ruined my ride and I'm now thinking about alternatives.

Has anyone had any experience with Schwalbe Pro One Evo Tubeless or Goodyear Eagle F1 Tubeless? Are these any easier?

oxoman

Vegas if you had a puncture riding tubeless you only need to wedge a tyre worm in if the sealant hasn't sealed the hole already. See link for advise.
https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/pages/tech-page

vegas76

I'll have a look at those Oxoman. Have you used them? Are they really that easy?
Also, can you damage carbon wheels with these sort of tyre fitting devices:

https://www.wiggle.co.uk/lifeline-tyre-seating-tool?lang=en&curr=GBP&dest=1&sku=105205767&utm_source=google&utm_term=&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=base&gclid=CjwKCAjwzruGBhBAEiwAUqMR8FxmL7_1lB1SZOTQLcqJA-eEJePwtclFgotmXq28e1s80k3FVMPTgBoC2skQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

ed1973

vegas76 said:

I'll have a look at those Oxoman. Have you used them? Are they really that easy?
Also, can you damage carbon wheels with these sort of tyre fitting devices:

https://www.wiggle.co.uk/lifeline-tyre-seating-tool?lang=en&curr=GBP&dest=1&sku=105205767&utm_source=google&utm_term=&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=base&gclid=CjwKCAjwzruGBhBAEiwAUqMR8FxmL7_1lB1SZOTQLcqJA-eEJePwtclFgotmXq28e1s80k3FVMPTgBoC2skQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I have managed to seat 2 sets of tyres onto carbon rims using the exact tool, it was a god send. I don’t think even a gorilla’s thumbs could have managed them, but took time and was careful. Did it on both carbon and Alu wheels.

vegas76

ed1973 said:

vegas76 said:

I'll have a look at those Oxoman. Have you used them? Are they really that easy?
Also, can you damage carbon wheels with these sort of tyre fitting devices:

https://www.wiggle.co.uk/lifeline-tyre-seating-tool?lang=en&curr=GBP&dest=1&sku=105205767&utm_source=google&utm_term=&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=base&gclid=CjwKCAjwzruGBhBAEiwAUqMR8FxmL7_1lB1SZOTQLcqJA-eEJePwtclFgotmXq28e1s80k3FVMPTgBoC2skQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I have managed to seat 2 sets of tyres onto carbon rims using the exact tool, it was a god send. I don’t think even a gorilla’s thumbs could have managed them, but took time and was careful. Did it on both carbon and Alu wheels.

Can you damage the carbon with these?

First.Aspect

Absent a support vehicle and a swift wheel change, isn't the best alternative a normal GP5000?

oxoman

I've never had to use anything other than the levers shown in the link.
https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/products/irc-tubeless-tyre-levers
Tyreworms are dead easy to use. Just wedge into the hole with the tool provided and ride. Certainly no need to stop a ride because of a flat.

vegas76

oxoman said:

I've never had to use anything other than the levers shown in the link.
https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/products/irc-tubeless-tyre-levers
Tyreworms are dead easy to use. Just wedge into the hole with the tool provided and ride. Certainly no need to stop a ride because of a flat.

Man you want to try GP5000TLs with Hunt Limitless... Unbelievable.

lesfirth

I have just fitted some Goodyear Eagles . They went on quite easily.
Vegas ,can you give us more details of your puncture. I take it you did not use a worm. When did you last top up your sealant, did the tyre stay on the rim and how big was the puncture hole?

ed1973

vegas76 said:

ed1973 said:

vegas76 said:

I'll have a look at those Oxoman. Have you used them? Are they really that easy?
Also, can you damage carbon wheels with these sort of tyre fitting devices:

https://www.wiggle.co.uk/lifeline-tyre-seating-tool?lang=en&curr=GBP&dest=1&sku=105205767&utm_source=google&utm_term=&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=base&gclid=CjwKCAjwzruGBhBAEiwAUqMR8FxmL7_1lB1SZOTQLcqJA-eEJePwtclFgotmXq28e1s80k3FVMPTgBoC2skQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I have managed to seat 2 sets of tyres onto carbon rims using the exact tool, it was a god send. I don’t think even a gorilla’s thumbs could have managed them, but took time and was careful. Did it on both carbon and Alu wheels.

Can you damage the carbon with these?

vegas76 said:

ed1973 said:

vegas76 said:

I'll have a look at those Oxoman. Have you used them? Are they really that easy?
Also, can you damage carbon wheels with these sort of tyre fitting devices:

https://www.wiggle.co.uk/lifeline-tyre-seating-tool?lang=en&curr=GBP&dest=1&sku=105205767&utm_source=google&utm_term=&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=base&gclid=CjwKCAjwzruGBhBAEiwAUqMR8FxmL7_1lB1SZOTQLcqJA-eEJePwtclFgotmXq28e1s80k3FVMPTgBoC2skQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I have managed to seat 2 sets of tyres onto carbon rims using the exact tool, it was a god send. I don’t think even a gorilla’s thumbs could have managed them, but took time and was careful. Did it on both carbon and Alu wheels.

Can you damage the carbon with these?

I don’t want to say a definitive no, but I was very careful not to try to get too much on at once, literally bit by bit. Mind you, I did have to put a zip tie on one side as I just ended up chasing the tyre round the rim.

i.bhamra

I've used both Schwalbe Pro One Evo Tubeless or Goodyear Eagle F1 Tubeless with Reynolds ARX 58/62 rims (19/21mm internal width). Both sets (28mm) went on without needing levers.

The Schwalbe's were easier to get on and inflated with a track pump. They felt very supple and this translated to a really comfortable ride. The downside was that the pressure needed topping up almost every day (leaky sidewalls?). Also they unseated from the rim when fully deflated.

The Goodyear's feel less supple and a bit harsher to ride on, also needed an airshot to get them seated. They hold pressure for much longer and remain seated on the rim when deflated. It's probably my imagination but the Schwalbe's felt faster.

Also if you get the GY's the tan wall versions are just painted rubber and the line is wonky which is annoying.

itboffin

oxoman said:

I've never had to use anything other than the levers shown in the link.
https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/products/irc-tubeless-tyre-levers
Tyreworms are dead easy to use. Just wedge into the hole with the tool provided and ride. Certainly no need to stop a ride because of a flat.

I've just converted to tubeless with Hutchinson fusion and so far i'm 5 out of 6 rides with a puncture that hasnt sealed, i just dont get it i've been running the same non tubeless version of that tyre for 2 years with 0 punctures, are they more sticky, less resistant?

I put the bike back in the garage today after 10 miles, pssssst tiny 2mm hole which looks to have sealed just like the others but i'll put money on that same hole opening up the next time i ride, those worms are frankly censored as you punch an even bigger hole with the tool, the worm goes in then a few miles later out it pops leaving you with almost no air and a big hole.

I'm calling snake oil

First.Aspect

itboffin said:

oxoman said:

I've never had to use anything other than the levers shown in the link.
https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/products/irc-tubeless-tyre-levers
Tyreworms are dead easy to use. Just wedge into the hole with the tool provided and ride. Certainly no need to stop a ride because of a flat.

I've just converted to tubeless with Hutchinson fusion and so far i'm 5 out of 6 rides with a puncture that hasnt sealed, i just dont get it i've been running the same non tubeless version of that tyre for 2 years with 0 punctures, are they more sticky, less resistant?

I put the bike back in the garage today after 10 miles, pssssst tiny 2mm hole which looks to have sealed just like the others but i'll put money on that same hole opening up the next time i ride, those worms are frankly censored as you punch an even bigger hole with the tool, the worm goes in then a few miles later out it pops leaving you with almost no air and a big hole.

I'm calling snake oil

Take the sealant you have and spread it thinly on a sheet of clingfilm. When dried, roll it up like they do on masterchef and then join the ends around your tubeless valve end. You can then use your dry sealant a bit like a protective air tight balloon inside your tubeless tyre.