tuesday through the turbine blades

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  • hopkinb
    hopkinb Posts: 7,129
    There is no such thing as a "fair share" of tax. You pay what you are liable to pay, according to the law. Most of the rubbish you read in the press about "fair share" is precisely that, rubbish.

    I am a head of tax like Stevo, my job is to make sure we pay the right amount of tax, in the right country, at the right time, and avoid double taxation, or doing something stupid in a transaction so we pay more tax than we should have done according to the law. Transparency around tax, codes of practice, published tax strategies and intra-governmental information sharing, means that egregious tax dodging is dying out fast.

    Most tax leakage comes from cash in hand jobs avoiding VAT and income tax, and the black economy, not the evil and complicated shenanigans and machinations of multinational enterprises. Just no one likes to hear that.

    ;)
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,497
    hopkinb said:



    Most tax leakage comes from cash in hand jobs avoiding VAT and income tax, and the black economy, not the evil and complicated shenanigans and machinations of multinational enterprises. Just no one likes to hear that.

    ;)

    Of course 'Loon being in the self employed landscaping/gardening bizness never takes cash in hand jobs.

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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,269
    No comment.
  • thistle_
    thistle_ Posts: 7,218
    Ben6899 said:


    EDIT: we're probably going to end up exchanging, right at the last minute today. Should be a time for celebration, but I'm not really feeling it. Meh.

    Deal done or is someone getting murderised?


  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    oxoman said:

    Ben I feel your pain. My OH works for solicitors as their accounts department and she often regaled me of horror stories of people waiting to move in but held up for stupid reasons. Apparently searches and the like are taking ages as are land reg all due to covid. Hang in there it will all come good eventually.

    Thank you, Oxo!

    Ben

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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    thistle_ said:

    Ben6899 said:


    EDIT: we're probably going to end up exchanging, right at the last minute today. Should be a time for celebration, but I'm not really feeling it. Meh.

    Deal done or is someone getting murderised?



    Done. Stella.

    Thanks for the venting space, lads and lasses.

    Ben

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  • hopkinb
    hopkinb Posts: 7,129
    Nice one Ben! Congrats.
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Well done Ben!
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  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,269
    #burntheconveyancers Good you got progress.

    I'm really happy this evening, so pleased there actually are good people in this Spafferdom. Freecycler lady came back to pick up load #2 of the hoicked patio slabs from #1 daughter's and gave her a bottle of Prosecco. Bless her.
  • thistle_
    thistle_ Posts: 7,218
    Ben6899 said:

    thistle_ said:

    Ben6899 said:


    EDIT: we're probably going to end up exchanging, right at the last minute today. Should be a time for celebration, but I'm not really feeling it. Meh.

    Deal done or is someone getting murderised?



    Done. Stella.

    Thanks for the venting space, lads and lasses.

    Great. All those free paving slabs you're collecting will look ace in your new garden.
  • Stevo_666
    Stevo_666 Posts: 61,808
    hopkinb said:

    There is no such thing as a "fair share" of tax. You pay what you are liable to pay, according to the law. Most of the rubbish you read in the press about "fair share" is precisely that, rubbish.

    I am a head of tax like Stevo, my job is to make sure we pay the right amount of tax, in the right country, at the right time, and avoid double taxation, or doing something stupid in a transaction so we pay more tax than we should have done according to the law. Transparency around tax, codes of practice, published tax strategies and intra-governmental information sharing, means that egregious tax dodging is dying out fast.

    Most tax leakage comes from cash in hand jobs avoiding VAT and income tax, and the black economy, not the evil and complicated shenanigans and machinations of multinational enterprises. Just no one likes to hear that.

    ;)

    Well said H3.

    Now try explaining that first paragraph in Cake Stop. And the last one for that matter :smile:
    "I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]
  • thistle_
    thistle_ Posts: 7,218
    hopkinb said:


    Most tax leakage comes from cash in hand jobs avoiding VAT and income tax, and the black economy, not the evil and complicated shenanigans and machinations of multinational enterprises. Just no one likes to hear that.

    ;)

    Which one does sungod's dodgy deal come under? :smiley:
  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    edited April 2021
    Thanks all.

    I’m obviously being slow because I have no idea what
    thistle_ said:

    Great. All those free paving slabs you're collecting will look ace in your new garden.

    means.

    🤣
    Ben

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  • thistle_
    thistle_ Posts: 7,218
    edited April 2021
    Ben6899 said:

    Thanks all.

    I’m obviously being slow because I have no idea what

    thistle_ said:

    Great. All those free paving slabs you're collecting will look ace in your new garden.

    means.

    🤣

    https://forum.bikeradar.com/discussion/comment/20777492/#Comment_20777492
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,497
    Ben6899 said:

    Thanks all.

    I’m obviously being slow because I have no idea what

    thistle_ said:

    Great. All those free paving slabs you're collecting will look ace in your new garden.

    means.

    🤣
    Erm, scroll back and read 'Loons posts. You know, actually read them. Boring I know but necessary.
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  • hopkinb
    hopkinb Posts: 7,129
    thistle_ said:

    hopkinb said:


    Most tax leakage comes from cash in hand jobs avoiding VAT and income tax, and the black economy, not the evil and complicated shenanigans and machinations of multinational enterprises. Just no one likes to hear that.

    ;)

    Which one does sungod's dodgy deal come under? :smiley:
    Has sungod got a dodgy deal? He doesn't strike me as a dodgy deal type of guy. Loves a bask, possibly worships ancient Egyptian deities, has more than a passing interest in ancient Greece, definitely loves cats, pineapple and chilli hot curries.

    I get the impression from the bubbly, the hols, the shiny bike and the central London abode, that whatever arcane branch of sums he solves for GMC might be well rewarded.

    Doesn't mean he's on a dodge though. Unless he pays into a pension, or saves into an ISA, the tax dodging so and so.
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,866
    Evening folks,
    Knackered after ACOAD. I was in the office so bought the cakes given that I'm not one to shirk my responsibilities. People were amazed at how many cakes I could carry on a bicycle.
    Good news Ben, glad it worked out in the end. I'd raise a glass if I could face it 😂
  • hopkinb
    hopkinb Posts: 7,129
    Stevo_666 said:

    hopkinb said:

    There is no such thing as a "fair share" of tax. You pay what you are liable to pay, according to the law. Most of the rubbish you read in the press about "fair share" is precisely that, rubbish.

    I am a head of tax like Stevo, my job is to make sure we pay the right amount of tax, in the right country, at the right time, and avoid double taxation, or doing something stupid in a transaction so we pay more tax than we should have done according to the law. Transparency around tax, codes of practice, published tax strategies and intra-governmental information sharing, means that egregious tax dodging is dying out fast.

    Most tax leakage comes from cash in hand jobs avoiding VAT and income tax, and the black economy, not the evil and complicated shenanigans and machinations of multinational enterprises. Just no one likes to hear that.

    ;)

    Well said H3.

    Now try explaining that first paragraph in Cake Stop. And the last one for that matter :smile:
    Waste of time. People believe what they want to.

    Closing the small time leakage and black economy would take enormous resource, almost a secret police. Evasion is already a serious crime.

    My personal view of avoidance is that if it "smells bad", it shouldn't be done. Tell me what you want to do commercially and I'll tell you if it's a good idea, or how not to leak money unnecessarily. Come to me and say I want to avoid this, that or the other tax, and that's my main objective, I'll refer you to the group's tax policy, and politely tell you to fcuk off.

    Other heads of tax have different opinions.
  • tlw1
    tlw1 Posts: 22,196
    hopkinb said:

    thistle_ said:

    hopkinb said:


    Most tax leakage comes from cash in hand jobs avoiding VAT and income tax, and the black economy, not the evil and complicated shenanigans and machinations of multinational enterprises. Just no one likes to hear that.

    ;)

    Which one does sungod's dodgy deal come under? :smiley:
    Has sungod got a dodgy deal? He doesn't strike me as a dodgy deal type of guy. Loves a bask, possibly worships ancient Egyptian deities, has more than a passing interest in ancient Greece, definitely loves cats, pineapple and chilli hot curries.

    I get the impression from the bubbly, the hols, the shiny bike and the central London abode, that whatever arcane branch of sums he solves for GMC might be well rewarded.

    Doesn't mean he's on a dodge though. Unless he pays into a pension, or saves into an ISA, the tax dodging so and so.
    Maybe consulting for cash in hand?

    I know a retired anaesthetist and back in the 80’s they used to do private surgery for cash in hand (normally to farmers)
  • hopkinb
    hopkinb Posts: 7,129
    Anyway. This isn't BB talk.

    Tits bums fannies.

    Prog rock, reggae, cake, bicycles, grub, weather, sleep, catshit, coffee, cafés, wfw, wfh, hols.
  • hopkinb
    hopkinb Posts: 7,129
    House moves, gardening, knackeredness, aging, bstard kids, lovely kids, motor cars.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,497
    Sungod doesn't actually exist. He's metaphysical.
    He's been either sent to spy on us or it's an experiment in AI or both.
    Although Sungod started life in a Petri dish and (unlike Stevo), 'he' (it) has evolved.

    What's puzzling me, is he is not a product of M15, M16, the KGB, the Stasi, the HVA or even the CIA, I think he's a product of Del Monte.
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  • hopkinb
    hopkinb Posts: 7,129
    My mission for the summer, once I resemble a heavyish tester again rather than just a fat bastard, is to meet sg for an eggs benedict and bubbly brunch at one of his cafés. I can then confirm whether or not he exists on this plane, or whether he is a glitch in the matrix, with shares in Lanzarote property and LVMH.
  • thistle_
    thistle_ Posts: 7,218
    tlw1 said:

    hopkinb said:

    thistle_ said:

    hopkinb said:


    Most tax leakage comes from cash in hand jobs avoiding VAT and income tax, and the black economy, not the evil and complicated shenanigans and machinations of multinational enterprises. Just no one likes to hear that.

    ;)

    Which one does sungod's dodgy deal come under? :smiley:
    Has sungod got a dodgy deal? He doesn't strike me as a dodgy deal type of guy. Loves a bask, possibly worships ancient Egyptian deities, has more than a passing interest in ancient Greece, definitely loves cats, pineapple and chilli hot curries.

    I get the impression from the bubbly, the hols, the shiny bike and the central London abode, that whatever arcane branch of sums he solves for GMC might be well rewarded.

    Doesn't mean he's on a dodge though. Unless he pays into a pension, or saves into an ISA, the tax dodging so and so.
    Maybe consulting for cash in hand?

    I know a retired anaesthetist and back in the 80’s they used to do private surgery for cash in hand (normally to farmers)
    Jeez, I only meant avoiding the VAT on his shiny mech.

    You make out it's even worse than that cross border carrier bag tax dodging deal that was going on in these parts for a while.
  • orraloon
    orraloon Posts: 13,269
    Tax dodging webexs are not real. What is real is:
    a) it's raining. What is this wet stuff coming down from the sky?
    b) Welcome to the PleasureDome is pumping. 1984. Fuxk.
  • Flâneur
    Flâneur Posts: 3,081
    @pinno kit, the Challenger shuttle one. Nice break from the work day
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  • thistle_
    thistle_ Posts: 7,218
    Flâneur said:

    @pinno kit, the Challenger shuttle one. Nice break from the work day

    Did Lego pick the Challenger so you can quickly turn it back into several pieces like the real thing? :neutral:
  • hopkinb
    hopkinb Posts: 7,129
    Oh yeah. I'd forgotten that scandal Thistle. Even though it was only hours ago.

    To be fair. I think he'd have paid the VAT if HMRC were competent. It's actually quite difficult to.give them money if they don't ask you for it.

  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,497
    hopkinb said:

    My mission for the summer, once I resemble a heavyish tester again rather than just a fat censored , is to meet sg for an eggs benedict and bubbly brunch at one of his cafés. I can then confirm whether or not he exists on this plane, or whether he is a glitch in the matrix, with shares in Lanzarote property and LVMH.

    Yes, please report back. Will there be Beethoven's moonlight sonata playing ethereally in the background?

    On a different tack, I have just eaten a cheap, bog standard Lidl Tiramisu and actually, it was quite good.
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  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 52,497
    thistle_ said:

    Flâneur said:

    @pinno kit, the Challenger shuttle one. Nice break from the work day

    Did Lego pick the Challenger so you can quickly turn it back into several pieces like the real thing? :neutral:
    I see what you did there.
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