DeVlaeminck said:Would either beat Harmon if he was still in the game? He could have become synonymous with commentary for a generation.
Would either beat Harmon if he was still in the game? He could have become synonymous with commentary for a generation.
PB is the most sensible person on here.
He had the excitement like Kirby does, but he's not so good at rider identification, and seems more interested in talking about tech.
On the whole, the current crop are very good (Kirby aside)
What's great about Blythe and Millar is that they re still friends with some of the riders they re talking about or have ridden with the current DSs so they know far more about how they think!
Edit - the exception of course being last years RVV where someone seemed to have spiked his double espresso with red bull.
Millar, for example, is absolutely obsessed with looking for signs of what's going on in the peloton. Kelly was a heck of a rider, so understood tactics, but he tends to analyse things through his own experience - "well yes, on a day like this I would have...". Millar tends to look at it more as someone having to make decisions for his team - "Lotto will really want to control this, but Sunweb will be looking at this headwind and have a car up the road waiting for the moment to split it, so if you want to..."
Admittedly 90% of Millar's analysis is that you need to be at the front of the race, but...
I like Millar and Blythe but I also think some of the criticism of Kelly being out of touch is unjustified. He can't help his age but he has remained involved in the sport and I don't think bike racing has changed that much since his time. The other thing about Kelly of course is his insight is that of a rider going for the win in these big races - the others were never really at his level.
Millar is just annoying even if he is right.
I would too, fwiw. Dulcet tones matter. Kelly is, as above, easy to listen to.
Rob doesn't feel so strained to me versus Ned or others. I'm ok with his exaggerations - they're usually in context. I mean, it's nothing like Kirby.
Phil and Paul were actually very good on that measure, and sure, towards the end they suffered with age and doing it too long and I know some didn't appreciate the myopia towards Lance etc, but they sounded smooth and relaxed. I definitely feel they were broadly additive and not detracting, that isn't the case for most commentators.
Boardman is too bored for it and is far far more interested in kit over tactics. I'm a fan of his, but not in the booth.
If the Ned & Dave show has a flaw it's that it can sometimes feel just a little in-jokey. There's been quite a few moments with the Hatch/Lloyd/Blythe combinations that have had a similar feel of people fondly winding each other up though, and in general I'd much rather spend time with that than with people trying to convince me I was watching the most important sport ever. It is people mucking about on bikes, after all - I'd rather commentators were vaguely aware of that.
A strong performance by relative newcomer Dan Lloyd.
I would point out that on the wrong thread that the facts about Ned Boulting being the cousin of the singer from Rizzle Kicks and Dan Lloyd's mother being the oldest in Britain at the time were both true.
Two entirely different positions.
I am not sure. You have no chance.