Giant or Orro??? Please help
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What do you plan to do with the bike?
Both bikes you've mentioned are carbon framed and would be considered as endurance bikes - but there are a lot of others to consider.
Is £2,100 your limit? To name a couple of other options....
A Cube Attain gtc race is £2,099
A Canyon Endurace CF SL Disc 7.0 is £2,300
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Any reason why those are the only two options? Neither sounds like particularly good value, tbh. Some more info on your previous bike and the type of riding you do would be helpful if people are going to suggest alternatives.0
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Sportive riding and general hilly riding mainly.singleton said:What do you plan to do with the bike?
Both bikes you've mentioned are carbon framed and would be considered as endurance bikes - but there are a lot of others to consider.
Is £2,100 your limit? To name a couple of other options....
A Cube Attain gtc race is £2,099
A Canyon Endurace CF SL Disc 7.0 is £2,300
Currently on a giant defy 4 triple set and after a bike fit frame deemed to big.
Budget is 2500 max
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Pretty much because their are in local shops and quick availability. I'm on a 8 speed triple at the moment. After a bike fit I need a 54 frame. Had more or less set myself for the 105 as a minimum, but I like the Giant. I intend on doing sportive and long rides as well as shortish rides. Also I weigh around 18stone so have to factor that in too.imposter2.0 said:Any reason why those are the only two options? Neither sounds like particularly good value, tbh. Some more info on your previous bike and the type of riding you do would be helpful if people are going to suggest alternatives.
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The difference between tiagra and 105 is not only down to it having an extra gear. The 105 should shift better, cleaner, easier. I've got Ultegra on my summer bike but I think 105 is about the optimal sweet-spot for the balance of performance and cost. If I was spending that kind of money I'd definitely get 105 and if you like the giant then the defy 2 is only £200 more and has 105.
Also, if you are riding a triple today and doing hilly rides, you might want to check gear ratios on your old bike to ensure you have a low enough gear. Not sure, but your triple may have a 30t inner chainring and a 26 or 30 tooth biggest rear cog giving you a lowest gear of 26/30 or maybe 30/30 (which is 1:1).
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The Giant defy 2 (both versions) have a 34/50 front and an 11-34 rear cassette giving you a lowest gear of 34/34 or 1:1
The Orro has the same 34/50 front but only an 11-30 rear, so the defy 2 would have 1 lower gear than the Orro.0 -
Are the wheels comparable? Assuming they are, the Orro to me is the better value. Most people think 105 is the sweet spot in the Shimano range, Tiagra is definitely a drop down.
My winter bike is an old steel framed Specialised, with a triple up front and a 7 speed 13-23 at the back. Theoretically, the range is great, but in practice, it's hard work. It feels like I am always not quite in the right gear, and because it has down tube shifters, it's more of a faff to change. My best bike has 11 speed Ultegra, and I don't even think about changing gear on it, it's almost sub-conscious.
If the frame and the wheels are the same, then the groupset is the next big differentiator, assuming you like the looks of both. With 105, I think you'll have more options for changing the gearing too, different cassettes and front rigs.0 -
Orro are running fulcrum R800 DB and giant are running their sr2 disc. If that helpsdavep1 said:Are the wheels comparable? Assuming they are, the Orro to me is the better value. Most people think 105 is the sweet spot in the Shimano range, Tiagra is definitely a drop down.
My winter bike is an old steel framed Specialised, with a triple up front and a 7 speed 13-23 at the back. Theoretically, the range is great, but in practice, it's hard work. It feels like I am always not quite in the right gear, and because it has down tube shifters, it's more of a faff to change. My best bike has 11 speed Ultegra, and I don't even think about changing gear on it, it's almost sub-conscious.
If the frame and the wheels are the same, then the groupset is the next big differentiator, assuming you like the looks of both. With 105, I think you'll have more options for changing the gearing too, different cassettes and front rigs.0 -
If those are the only 2 bikes that you can get at the moment - I'd get the Orro.0
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Yeah I tried to see the availablity of the canyon, but no confirmed dates.singleton said:If those are the only 2 bikes that you can get at the moment - I'd get the Orro.
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I'm leaning to the Orro and the 105 tbh.singleton said:If those are the only 2 bikes that you can get at the moment - I'd get the Orro.
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With Canyon an confirmed date and when you actually get the bike are not always one and the same thing anyway, or so I'm lead to believe.
Yeah I tried to see the availablity of the canyon, but no confirmed dates.singleton said:If those are the only 2 bikes that you can get at the moment - I'd get the Orro.
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As long as they are set up properly and the manufacturer hasn't put in poor quality cabling/cheap cassette, you shouldn't notice any difference in shifting performance between 105 and Tiagra. The main advantage to going up the range is just weight now (and an extra gear going to 105).
Having said that I would still go for 105 over Tiagra as there are more spares for 11 speed than 10 speed.1 -
It's a nightmare picking bikes.😂😂elbowloh said:
With Canyon an confirmed date and when you actually get the bike are not always one and the same thing anyway, or so I'm lead to believe.
Yeah I tried to see the availablity of the canyon, but no confirmed dates.singleton said:If those are the only 2 bikes that you can get at the moment - I'd get the Orro.
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Orro coming from a well respected LBS and Giant from Giant franchise shop.markdurdle said:As long as they are set up properly and the manufacturer hasn't put in poor quality cabling/cheap cassette, you shouldn't notice any difference in shifting performance between 105 and Tiagra. The main advantage to going up the range is just weight now (and an extra gear going to 105).
Having said that I would still go for 105 over Tiagra as there are more spares for 11 speed than 10 speed.
I'm thinking on price terms as 105 bike is cheaper than the Giant, having said that Giant have their reputation and history whereas Orro are starting out in terms of manufacturing.0 -
The Orro is probably made at the Giant factory in Taiwan.0
