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Orro Venturi STC

baroidbaroid Posts: 87
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Hi
Has anyone got experience, or thoughts, on the Orro Venturi STC? They are, nearly, a local bike company for me and there are several local bike shops that stock them. I am a bit concerned that being a small company they do not have the resources to put into design and development. Also they seem cheap to some of the other bikes that I am looking at for a similar build; Scott Addict RC and Orbea Orca OMR. I hope to go a view one next week.

I will use the bike for general riding in the summer, I average 8-9,000 miles a year, with the possibility of maybe up to 10 races a year, although I could use my current racing bike for those.
Cheers

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  • oxomanoxoman Posts: 11,747
    I'm assuming this is the bike your referring to.
    https://www.orrobikes.com/shop/2021-venturi-ultegra
    They're a very nice bike from what I've seen and heard, mate has the Terra as his commute bike and loves it. Not sure if you'd be better with the gold as that seems more suited to general riding over the venturi which is more race / speed orientated.
    Too many bikes according to Mrs O.
  • mrb123mrb123 Posts: 4,488
    https://road.cc/content/review/orro-venturi-stc-sram-force-etap-2021-279615
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    edited December 2020
    open mould china frames with bits bolted on by bits distributor non?

    if you like it and it ticks all the boxes then go for it.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • baroidbaroid Posts: 87
    MattFalle, I thought it was an open mould frame but read that they had their own moulds, not sure how a small company could afford this. Do you know what other frames use the same mould.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Ciao

    I remember reading in a copy of Cyclist ages ago that they had a deal with one of the Chinese large frame manufacturers to produce their stuff - along the lines of Ritte, Planet X, Ribble, the Chinese direct suppliers, etc.

    Doesn't mean they are bad but as you are completely correct, they aren't big enough to jystify their own moulds, etc.

    They're more "put together from bits that arrive in boxes in the UK" than "hand crafted by artisans in the UK".

    Again, no bad thing and you can see why they have marketed them so.


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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • baroidbaroid Posts: 87
    MattFalle.

    Thanks for the information.

    Have a save New Year.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    No problemo - pleasure anytime.

    Have a great NY as well.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • oxomanoxoman Posts: 11,747
    Still a good bike though
    Too many bikes according to Mrs O.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Oh yeah - can't deny that: looks good, great reviews, good finishing kit on it at a good price.

    MF was looking at one when he bought hus S3 but couldn't find a rim braked 58 - if he had MF suspects that MF would have been very happy.

    #farworseoutthereforthemoney
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • cookeeemonstercookeeemonster Posts: 1,991
    MattFalle said:

    open mould china frames with bits bolted on by bits distributor non?

    if you like it and it ticks all the boxes then go for it.

    That’s the opposite of what’s written in the road.cc review I’ve read (not sure if it’s the one mentioned above or the one from a few months ago)

    They also use a special carbon from a uk company too apparently (assume the frame is built abroad like all carbon frames)

    Looks like a great bike. There is a delay on the current model like many new bikes at the mo
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Don't they all use a "special" carbon that turns out to be exactly tbe same stuff from Toray, etc all moulded in the same 4 factories in Asia?

    as above, they're nice bikes but no hand crafted carbon artisan things like Time and Look and not the standad of S-Works etc.

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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • mrb123mrb123 Posts: 4,488
    The Terra C is meant to have some stuff called Innegra in it to make it tougher than standard carbon.

    There's actually a little "window" on the underside of the down tube where there is no paint so you can see the weave of it.
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  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innegra_S

    It’s not exactly top secret hush hush high spec. It’s just another layer chucked in. also used in kayaks.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • flasherflasher Posts: 1,734
    Aren't Orro the in-house bike brand of specialist bike part importer/wholesaler i-ride?
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    flasher said:

    Aren't Orro the in-house bike brand of specialist bike part importer/wholesaler i-ride?

    Well, not specialist but wholesale to the trade but you are correct.

    I wanted to say Madison in my posts above but wasn't sure and didn't want to post up misinfo - thank you for clarifying.

    All parts on the bikes are what they import/sell.
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  • baroidbaroid Posts: 87
    Thanks for all your replies.

    Doesn't matter if it is open mould or not although if it was open mould would like to know what other frames come out of the mould. The article above does say they have their own moulds.

    The carbon fibre to me is just carbon fibre, I am sure there is different types but sure I wouldn't know the difference.

    I am going to look at the basic Ultegra model and if I do get it will put some better aero wheels on it. Unfortunately the colour is out of stock but I can wait.

    Cheers
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Do you have any other options apart from Ultegra. As you are intending to bin off the standard wheels straightaway how about buying a frameset then building up exactly how you want?

    #optionsandchoices
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • baroidbaroid Posts: 87
    Hi MattFalle.

    Not going to bin the standard wheels just have a good pair and a stand by. As all my other wheels are for rim brakes I need to start my collection again.

    Your suggestion of building the bike up has crossed my mind, as this is what I normally do except for my last bike, but think it is an expensive option unless I can get the frame at a good price.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Ciao

    If you can get the frame at a good price then hit the sales you may be able to get a very, very cool bike for the same as a standard bike - plus didn’t you say that they didn’t have the colour you wanted?

    That frameset with Chorus, some deep rims and cool finishing kit would be a winner. MF recently bought some Prime carbon aero bars that would go mega on it.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • darkhairedlorddarkhairedlord Posts: 7,180
    MattFalle said:

    Don't they all use a "special" carbon that turns out to be exactly tbe same stuff from Toray, etc all moulded in the same 4 factories in Asia?

    as above, they're nice bikes but no hand crafted carbon artisan things like Time and Look and not the standad of S-Works etc.

    Its just burnt rope covered in varnish.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Fishing line shurely?

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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • baroidbaroid Posts: 87
    Thanks for all the replies.

    After viewing one I am not convinced its for me. I felt too stretched out and the bike felt heavy, Orro won't give details on weight.

    So I am looking at over bikes.
  • super_davosuper_davo Posts: 1,098
    Trouble is any aero disc bike will be heavy unless you go really top of range. Tarmac SL7s and new Aeroads can get under 7kgs but not much else does.

    So the compromise is either weight, aero, disc brakes or change from £10k.

    If you felt stretched out on the Orro then maybe the aero element is the thing that should to go. In which case the new Boardman SLR 9.6 looks amazing value for a similar price and will be a lot lighter. But let's face it, doesn't look anywhere near as cool.
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    Yup - its an aero bike with discs and stuff. Davo above is correct.

    If you want a light aero bike, dump the discs, you don't need them, dump electric shifting, you don't need them and be prepared to change stadard 'bars, stem, wheels, tyres.

    MF's S3 is 7kg but its running full Red, new carbon bars, new stem, new wheels, new tubs, new saddle, new skewers, new chain, etc so basically it is S3 if frameset and seatpost only.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • elbowlohelbowloh Posts: 7,078
    edited January 2021
    Just my own opinion, but just buy a bike you like, that fits and ride it.

    Only replace bits as they wear/break as otherwise it's just a waste of money. Tbh you won't notice much difference of a couple of hundred grams here or there.

    If you are concerned about getting the right finishing kit you want, the wheels you want and the exact spec you want, you're better off buying all the bits yourself, a frame and build yourself.

    Felt F1 2014
    Felt Z6 2012
    Red Arthur Caygill steel frame
    Tall....
    www.seewildlife.co.uk
  • MattFalleMattFalle Posts: 11,644
    MattFalle said:

    Ciao

    If you can get the frame at a good price then hit the sales you may be able to get a very, very cool bike for the same as a standard bike - plus didn’t you say that they didn’t have the colour you wanted?

    That frameset with Chorus, some deep rims and cool finishing kit would be a winner. MF recently bought some Prime carbon aero bars that would go mega on it.

    this is what you want to do if you still want that orro frameset.
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    The camera down the willy isn't anything like as bad as it sounds.
  • cookeeemonstercookeeemonster Posts: 1,991
    I’ve been looking at the same bike and the 2021 model isn’t available as a frame set unfortunately (oh, and groupsets seem to be sold out everywhere too...)

    An Ultegra model would be around 8kg from the reviews I’ve seen which compares pretty well with a lot of the competition. A £4600 trek madone weighs 8.67kg in comparison!!

    Else yeah, find a rim brake aero bike to save weight. Again, a lot of bikes are sold out at the minute so it might not be easy
  • baroidbaroid Posts: 87
    Hi Cookeemonster,

    Are you looking at an similar bikes? As my original post I am looking at Scott Addict RC and Orbea Orca OMR. Also more recently Dolan Ares and De Rosa SK Pininfarina.

    All have pro's and con's.

    Like you said most bikes are out of stock.

    Which ever bike I end up with I will replace the wheels for something better.
  • cookeeemonstercookeeemonster Posts: 1,991
    edited January 2021
    I’ve not looked at those tbh

    It’s really hard to know if the usual amount of 2021 bikes have been sold, haven’t been delivered yet and are coming later or what?

    And spring sales are off I reckon 😊
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