Upgrading to micro spline
Tideswaters
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Can you fit a micro spline hub to a shimano hg free hub without having to change the wheel hub. I’ve read acres of articles firstly I’m not sure how upto date they are, and clarity is not perceived, as this is shimano,s upgrade path to 12 speed, it seems exceptional costly and complex to get on the bottom rung
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i.e. Hope make a Microspline freehub to fit Hope hubs, DT Swiss make a Microspline freehub to fit a DT Swiss hub and so on.
The complication is DT Swiss make the internals for other hubs too which would mean a DT Microspline will fit on another brand providing it has certain DT internals but the information of a given hubs internal brand isn't readily available or mentioned.
You could fit a full 12 speed Shimano groupset along with a 12 speed cassette that is compatible with a standard HG freehub and it will work except the hyperglide+ (shifting under load) feature only works in conjunction with a proper Shimano 12 speed Microspline cassette and matching chain.
Sometimes no brand name or re-branded with the name of the bike and no other markings. Not worth taking apart as that won't help identifying it.
Take a close look at the hub and if is Formula maybe you can identify it accurately here just so you know for sure:-
https://www.formulahubs.com/product.php?t=3
These generic hubs very likely aren't compatible. Also very doubtful your hub maker have a licence to or produced a Microspline freehub to fit and it definitely won't have DT Swiss internals unfortunately.
This website lists other brands that use DT Swiss internals as well as currently compatible brands last updated in late August, see note:-
https://www.google.com/amp/s/off.road.cc/content/buying/complete-guide-who-makes-micro-spline-wheels-hubs-m9100-xtr?amp
The other option to explore is a standard 12 speed HG cassette with the rest of the Shimano groupset which would be the cheapest option otherwise a new rear hub/wheel will be the only way forward if you want a full Shimano 12 speed set up.
Gasps in baffled admiration (and a degree of envy).
By that reckoning what happened with you, forks, shocks and tubuless set ups seeing as you're an expert on those subjects?🤓👍
I hazard a guess at a similar scenario of trial, error, hours of messing around in the shed and more often than not feverishly Googling trying to sort self imposed issues out Pal.🤣😂
At the moment it is much easier and cheaper to run 9-, 10- or 11-speed gearing and it all works very well.
And it all promised so so much”
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Because...."ex" = an unknown quantity, and "spert" = a drip under pressure!
I try to only share what I know to be true. But occasionally I end up sharing what I "believe" to be true. Sadly believing it to be true sometimes does not make it so. Under these circumstances, you can be sure that all those lovely people on the internet are kind enough to take the time to educate me. Often in a very clear and abrupt manner. I am always willing to learn, but when I get it wrong it always seems to be a hard lesson.
PS: You ought to try me out on chains and the theory of wear, and setting up suspension, as well as those you assign to me above. Again, I claim no expertise, but I do have very firm opinions!
Isn't a helpful suggestion better than no help at all? At least it prompts a more accurate response.
I know zero about lots of certain things e.g. forks, shocks, tubeless so I ask to gain the knowledge and you have helped me out lots of times.👍
First fork service is on the cards so look forward to your 'spertise' or at least your very firm opinions on that.😎🤘
Hyperglide + seems gimmicky and a sales pitch, don't think it's mechanically sympathetic to change gear under load even if you could.
A 30/32t chainring, 11-42/46 cassette is ample for any level of rider on any terrain and all most of us would ever need, the number of clicks between is almost irrelevant IMO.
It's definitely worth considering a 1x10/11 speed drivetrain, providing a good gear range and saves a lot of hassle and cash in the process in the short and also long term.
But this place would die a horrible lonely death without well meaning advice so please carry on and hopefully we will all learn something.
Sorry I can't help on the microspline, but as JBA says, is it worth the expense for a marginal gain?
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Upgrading to 11 speed, cassette derailed chain and shifter is not overly pricey can be done for about £150 whereas 12 speed is more than twice that, + at least £ 100 for wheel and hub. Part of my and many others dilemma is is it worth going to 11 speed which will be as obsolete as 7 speed in three years time.
The tech for 11 or 12 speed is easy to sort but the real stumbling block is the wheel sellers who by and large just don’t know what hubs are fitted to their wheels or if they can be converted to microspline, unless you buy into dt Swiss or mavic at significant extra cost. I don’t mind investing in my bike but I don’t really want to do it twice but also I love solving mechanical problems its a challenge, nigel.
11 speed, 12 speed, your own custom Microspline creation with some standard OEM fitted hubs?
Also not quite sure how you've arrived at some of your conclusions about higher end wheel/hub makers like DT Swiss, Mavic, etc not knowing their own product's internal make up?
It's the new Shimano freehub standard that is needed if we wish to use their 12 speed set ups which is the cost of upgrading not wheel manufacturers imposing it on us.