David Walsh and Pippa York talk doping

alan_a
alan_a Posts: 1,550
When Pipa said on ITV coverage that she was travelling with David Walsh I wondered if this article to appear.

Eloquent as ever from York about her times riding as Millar.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/philippa-york-interview-doping-it-was-cheating-and-all-of-us-were-doing-it-8jbmqp92m

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  • photonic69
    photonic69 Posts: 2,514
    Wish people wouldn’t link to stories on sites that require a subscription to read! :/


    Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.

  • 50x11
    50x11 Posts: 408

    Wish people wouldn’t link to stories on sites that require a subscription to read! :/

    Plenty of ways round paywalls.
  • alan_a
    alan_a Posts: 1,550

    Wish people wouldn’t link to stories on sites that require a subscription to read! :/

    Sorry.

    Not sorry 🙄😉
  • alan_a said:

    Wish people wouldn’t link to stories on sites that require a subscription to read! :/

    Sorry.

    Not sorry 🙄😉
    Interesting theory that the performance of the youngsters is proof the peloton in now clean as previously could not compete without several years of doping behind them
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,187

    alan_a said:

    Wish people wouldn’t link to stories on sites that require a subscription to read! :/

    Sorry.

    Not sorry 🙄😉
    Interesting theory that the performance of the youngsters is proof the peloton in now clean as previously could not compete without several years of doping behind them

    At 21 Armstrong was World Champion. at 22 Ullrich came second in the Tour, at 23 Valverde was third in the Vuelta and second in the Worlds
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  • nickice
    nickice Posts: 2,439

    alan_a said:

    Wish people wouldn’t link to stories on sites that require a subscription to read! :/

    Sorry.

    Not sorry 🙄😉
    Interesting theory that the performance of the youngsters is proof the peloton in now clean as previously could not compete without several years of doping behind them
    Greg Lemond always said that if you're good, you're good from the beginning. If I'm not mistaken, before the EPO era it wasn't uncommon for riders in their early twenties to win GTs
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,813
    Does this contain a doping confession?
  • alan_a
    alan_a Posts: 1,550

    Does this contain a doping confession?

    Yes
  • amrushton
    amrushton Posts: 1,254
    Not as if it was a surprise. You did it or go home.
    RichN95. said:

    alan_a said:

    Wish people wouldn’t link to stories on sites that require a subscription to read! :/

    Sorry.

    Not sorry 🙄😉
    Interesting theory that the performance of the youngsters is proof the peloton in now clean as previously could not compete without several years of doping behind them

    At 21 Armstrong was World Champion. at 22 Ullrich came second in the Tour, at 23 Valverde was third in the Vuelta and second in the Worlds
    Armstrong still the youngest winner of a TdF stage
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 20,813
    amrushton said:

    Not as if it was a surprise. You did it or go home.

    It wasn't so effective in the 80s, so I'm not sure that is true. I like to think Lemond was clean.
  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,187
    amrushton said:

    Not as if it was a surprise. You did it or go home.

    RichN95. said:

    alan_a said:

    Wish people wouldn’t link to stories on sites that require a subscription to read! :/

    Sorry.

    Not sorry 🙄😉
    Interesting theory that the performance of the youngsters is proof the peloton in now clean as previously could not compete without several years of doping behind them

    At 21 Armstrong was World Champion. at 22 Ullrich came second in the Tour, at 23 Valverde was third in the Vuelta and second in the Worlds
    Armstrong still the youngest winner of a TdF stage

    He's actually only the 22nd youngest. He's the second youngest in the last 50 years (beaten by Eric Vanderaerden in 1983). The youngest since the war was Jose Samyn in 1967, who Le Samyn is named after when he died in a crash in 1969.
    The youngest ever was Fabio Battesini in 1931 aged just 19.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • davidof
    davidof Posts: 3,046

    Does this contain a doping confession?

    Yes, Pippa was taking oestrogen.
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  • andyrac
    andyrac Posts: 1,137
    Does David Walsh ever write about cycling without mentioning doping?
    All Road/ Gravel: tbcWinter: tbcMTB: tbcRoad: tbc"Look at the time...." "he's fallen like an old lady on a cruise ship..."
  • Matti66
    Matti66 Posts: 190
    If all you have is a hammer
  • So what was the gist of the article ?
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  • cq20
    cq20 Posts: 207

    So what was the gist of the article ?

    The gist was - they all did it, called it cheating rather than doping and provided a platform for Walsh to have a pop at Brailsford again

  • Ah right thanks.
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