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  • gsk82gsk82 Posts: 2,993
    The modern man on a bike uses the word "bonk" far too often, without knowing what it means.
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • andypandyp Posts: 8,596
    gsk82 said:

    The modern man on a bike uses the word "bonk" far too often, without knowing what it means.

    I've been training and racing for 30 years now, and I've only properly bonked once.
  • gsk82 said:

    The modern man on a bike uses the word "bonk" far too often, without knowing what it means.


  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 8,585
    gsk82 said:

    The modern man on a bike uses the word "bonk" far too often, without knowing what it means.

    Iz it lights out or iz it lights out and getting it on? 😉
  • webboowebboo Posts: 3,614
    I have always thought hunger knock was a better name and describes it better. I remember reading a cycling mag last century and John Hererty riding one of the early season French races was explaining why he got dropped “ I got hunger knock” whilst at the same time stuffing great lumps of French bread in his mouth.
  • ProssPross Posts: 28,325
    gsk82 said:

    The modern man on a bike uses the word "bonk" far too often, without knowing what it means.

    Too true, I've been pushed 20 miles to a cafe stop once and another somehow made it downhill to a petrol station despite weird hallucinations and promptly ate 3 or 4 Mars bars. Horrible!
  • gsk82gsk82 Posts: 2,993
    I've never had a bonk. I've nipped in to some dodgy shops to get what I needed, when fairly desperate, a fair few times. But I've never had a bonk.
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,320
    gsk82 said:

    I've never had a bonk. I've nipped in to some dodgy shops to get what I needed, when fairly desperate, a fair few times. But I've never had a bonk.


    You've made this sound like you're a virgin buying porno mags
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • gsk82gsk82 Posts: 2,993
    RichN95. said:

    gsk82 said:

    I've never had a bonk. I've nipped in to some dodgy shops to get what I needed, when fairly desperate, a fair few times. But I've never had a bonk.


    You've made this sound like you're a virgin buying porno mags
    No one buys magazines anymore. It's 2020 Dicky!
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,320
    gsk82 said:

    RichN95. said:

    gsk82 said:

    I've never had a bonk. I've nipped in to some dodgy shops to get what I needed, when fairly desperate, a fair few times. But I've never had a bonk.


    You've made this sound like you're a virgin buying porno mags
    No one buys magazines anymore. It's 2020 Dicky!

    There's a shop in a prominent place in central Cardiff that seems to still be there against all the odds
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,313
    RichN95. said:

    gsk82 said:

    RichN95. said:

    gsk82 said:

    I've never had a bonk. I've nipped in to some dodgy shops to get what I needed, when fairly desperate, a fair few times. But I've never had a bonk.


    You've made this sound like you're a virgin buying porno mags
    No one buys magazines anymore. It's 2020 Dicky!

    There's a shop in a prominent place in central Cardiff that seems to still be there against all the odds
    Not the hero we want, but the hero we need.
    PTP Champion 2019
  • ddraverddraver Posts: 22,700

    INEOS ARE QUITTING CYCLING AFTER POOR PERFORMANCE AT TOUR!!

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/ineos-buy-mercedes/

    well, not really but that's the way Cycling News will report it...
    We're in danger of confusing passion with incompetence
    - @ddraver
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 15,877
    DeadCalm said:

    Pross said:

    DeadCalm said:

    DeadCalm said:

    To be fair, not many riders have won it when they're scarcely out of the jnr ranks. He has a LOT of time on his side.

    We all thought that about Ullrich, IIRC ;-)
    I'm putting this one down to probable illness until I hear otherwise. But someone (RichN95 I believe) once posited a theory that Colombians peak and then decline earlier than European riders, possibly due to having an advantage growing up at altitude that diminishes the longer they spend riding in Europe. I do think that theory has merit, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Bernal was a one-time winner of the Tour.
    It looked to me like he just bonked or ran out of food or something.
    Bonking is a possibility but would be downright amateur. Surely a team like Ineos (remember all the guff about their feeding strategy on the Froome wonder stage in the Giro) would never let that happen?

    Froome bonked / nearly bonked on that stage where Porte?? got fined for going back to the car after the latest feed didn't he?
    I was being facetious, making a little bit of fun out of the Ineos claim that they had so scientifically calculated Froome's calorific intake on that stage in the Giro.
    Regardless of how you cut it, it would be a damning statement on a team that prides itself on marginal gains. That's as basic as it gets.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,320
    edited September 2020
    pblakeney said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Pross said:

    DeadCalm said:

    DeadCalm said:

    To be fair, not many riders have won it when they're scarcely out of the jnr ranks. He has a LOT of time on his side.

    We all thought that about Ullrich, IIRC ;-)
    I'm putting this one down to probable illness until I hear otherwise. But someone (RichN95 I believe) once posited a theory that Colombians peak and then decline earlier than European riders, possibly due to having an advantage growing up at altitude that diminishes the longer they spend riding in Europe. I do think that theory has merit, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Bernal was a one-time winner of the Tour.
    It looked to me like he just bonked or ran out of food or something.
    Bonking is a possibility but would be downright amateur. Surely a team like Ineos (remember all the guff about their feeding strategy on the Froome wonder stage in the Giro) would never let that happen?

    Froome bonked / nearly bonked on that stage where Porte?? got fined for going back to the car after the latest feed didn't he?
    I was being facetious, making a little bit of fun out of the Ineos claim that they had so scientifically calculated Froome's calorific intake on that stage in the Giro.

    Regardless of how you cut it, it would be a damning statement on a team that prides itself on marginal gains. That's as basic as it gets.

    The problem that day was their lead car broke down and they couldn't get the second one up quick enough.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 15,877
    RichN95. said:

    pblakeney said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Pross said:

    DeadCalm said:

    DeadCalm said:

    To be fair, not many riders have won it when they're scarcely out of the jnr ranks. He has a LOT of time on his side.

    We all thought that about Ullrich, IIRC ;-)
    I'm putting this one down to probable illness until I hear otherwise. But someone (RichN95 I believe) once posited a theory that Colombians peak and then decline earlier than European riders, possibly due to having an advantage growing up at altitude that diminishes the longer they spend riding in Europe. I do think that theory has merit, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Bernal was a one-time winner of the Tour.
    It looked to me like he just bonked or ran out of food or something.
    Bonking is a possibility but would be downright amateur. Surely a team like Ineos (remember all the guff about their feeding strategy on the Froome wonder stage in the Giro) would never let that happen?

    Froome bonked / nearly bonked on that stage where Porte?? got fined for going back to the car after the latest feed didn't he?
    I was being facetious, making a little bit of fun out of the Ineos claim that they had so scientifically calculated Froome's calorific intake on that stage in the Giro.

    Regardless of how you cut it, it would be a damning statement on a team that prides itself on marginal gains. That's as basic as it gets.

    The problem that day was their lead car broke down and they couldn't get the second one up quick enough.
    ...and we are back to basics again. I've never had a car less than 8 years old break down. Mercedes, Ford or Grenadier this time?
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 25,320
    pblakeney said:

    RichN95. said:

    pblakeney said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Pross said:

    DeadCalm said:

    DeadCalm said:

    To be fair, not many riders have won it when they're scarcely out of the jnr ranks. He has a LOT of time on his side.

    We all thought that about Ullrich, IIRC ;-)
    I'm putting this one down to probable illness until I hear otherwise. But someone (RichN95 I believe) once posited a theory that Colombians peak and then decline earlier than European riders, possibly due to having an advantage growing up at altitude that diminishes the longer they spend riding in Europe. I do think that theory has merit, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Bernal was a one-time winner of the Tour.
    It looked to me like he just bonked or ran out of food or something.
    Bonking is a possibility but would be downright amateur. Surely a team like Ineos (remember all the guff about their feeding strategy on the Froome wonder stage in the Giro) would never let that happen?

    Froome bonked / nearly bonked on that stage where Porte?? got fined for going back to the car after the latest feed didn't he?
    I was being facetious, making a little bit of fun out of the Ineos claim that they had so scientifically calculated Froome's calorific intake on that stage in the Giro.

    Regardless of how you cut it, it would be a damning statement on a team that prides itself on marginal gains. That's as basic as it gets.

    The problem that day was their lead car broke down and they couldn't get the second one up quick enough.
    ...and we are back to basics again. I've never had a car less than 8 years old break down. Mercedes, Ford or Grenadier this time?

    Jaguar I think. The problem was they had a cool box in the boot filled with ice/water and for some reason it had tipped over and blown electrics.
    Twitter: @RichN95
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 15,877
    RichN95. said:

    pblakeney said:

    RichN95. said:

    pblakeney said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Pross said:

    DeadCalm said:

    DeadCalm said:

    To be fair, not many riders have won it when they're scarcely out of the jnr ranks. He has a LOT of time on his side.

    We all thought that about Ullrich, IIRC ;-)
    I'm putting this one down to probable illness until I hear otherwise. But someone (RichN95 I believe) once posited a theory that Colombians peak and then decline earlier than European riders, possibly due to having an advantage growing up at altitude that diminishes the longer they spend riding in Europe. I do think that theory has merit, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Bernal was a one-time winner of the Tour.
    It looked to me like he just bonked or ran out of food or something.
    Bonking is a possibility but would be downright amateur. Surely a team like Ineos (remember all the guff about their feeding strategy on the Froome wonder stage in the Giro) would never let that happen?

    Froome bonked / nearly bonked on that stage where Porte?? got fined for going back to the car after the latest feed didn't he?
    I was being facetious, making a little bit of fun out of the Ineos claim that they had so scientifically calculated Froome's calorific intake on that stage in the Giro.

    Regardless of how you cut it, it would be a damning statement on a team that prides itself on marginal gains. That's as basic as it gets.

    The problem that day was their lead car broke down and they couldn't get the second one up quick enough.
    ...and we are back to basics again. I've never had a car less than 8 years old break down. Mercedes, Ford or Grenadier this time?

    Jaguar I think. The problem was they had a cool box in the boot filled with ice/water and for some reason it had tipped over and blown electrics.
    Not good for Jaguar then.
    That'll learn them.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • gsk82gsk82 Posts: 2,993
    pblakeney said:

    RichN95. said:

    pblakeney said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Pross said:

    DeadCalm said:

    DeadCalm said:

    To be fair, not many riders have won it when they're scarcely out of the jnr ranks. He has a LOT of time on his side.

    We all thought that about Ullrich, IIRC ;-)
    I'm putting this one down to probable illness until I hear otherwise. But someone (RichN95 I believe) once posited a theory that Colombians peak and then decline earlier than European riders, possibly due to having an advantage growing up at altitude that diminishes the longer they spend riding in Europe. I do think that theory has merit, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Bernal was a one-time winner of the Tour.
    It looked to me like he just bonked or ran out of food or something.
    Bonking is a possibility but would be downright amateur. Surely a team like Ineos (remember all the guff about their feeding strategy on the Froome wonder stage in the Giro) would never let that happen?

    Froome bonked / nearly bonked on that stage where Porte?? got fined for going back to the car after the latest feed didn't he?
    I was being facetious, making a little bit of fun out of the Ineos claim that they had so scientifically calculated Froome's calorific intake on that stage in the Giro.

    Regardless of how you cut it, it would be a damning statement on a team that prides itself on marginal gains. That's as basic as it gets.

    The problem that day was their lead car broke down and they couldn't get the second one up quick enough.
    ...and we are back to basics again. I've never had a car less than 8 years old break down. Mercedes, Ford or Grenadier this time?
    Have you ever had a cool box full of water thrown through the window all over your instrumentation though?
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • gsk82gsk82 Posts: 2,993
    It's amazing how much influence idiots next to the road can have on a race, even over the riders have passed
    "Unfortunately these days a lot of people don’t understand the real quality of a bike" Ernesto Colnago
  • Is it just me thinking that when the big guys of the classics drop the minute climbers up a mountain, then we are rewinding an old tape and it means there is a new drug in town?
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 15,877
    edited September 2020
    gsk82 said:


    Have you ever had a cool box full of water thrown through the window all over your instrumentation though?

    The claim was the boot though.
    RichN95. said:


    Jaguar I think. The problem was they had a cool box in the boot filled with ice/water and for some reason it had tipped over and blown electrics.

    Anyone designing an estate car (I assume) and not taking account of water spillage in the working area isn't thinking it through properly. Marginal gains/huge losses.

    In any case, Bernal has now admitted that he literally isn't at the races.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 15,877

    Is it just me thinking that when the big guys of the classics drop the minute climbers up a mountain, then we are rewinding an old tape and it means there is a new drug in town?

    Or, maybe some bad test results to come?
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • Like Kwiat?
  • At least the riders are getting great rest day weather.



    A quick leg loosener and Covid test, then a lounge by the pool methinks.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • pblakeney said:

    Is it just me thinking that when the big guys of the classics drop the minute climbers up a mountain, then we are rewinding an old tape and it means there is a new drug in town?

    Or, maybe some bad test results to come?
    It would be ironic if the team affected by Covid was the "marginal gains" one... I would have thought they would come to the Tour with specially designed air bubbles to live in
  • ProssPross Posts: 28,325

    Is it just me thinking that when the big guys of the classics drop the minute climbers up a mountain, then we are rewinding an old tape and it means there is a new drug in town?

    What? One that you feed to your domestiques but not team leaders? Seems highly unlikely. When the likes of Uran and Porte are up there everyday it suggests it just isn't as hard a pace as people are suggesting and that a few riders are badly out of form / ill. I wouldn't be surprised to see some Covid positives among the riders in today's results.
  • zest28zest28 Posts: 359
    edited September 2020
    Pross said:

    Is it just me thinking that when the big guys of the classics drop the minute climbers up a mountain, then we are rewinding an old tape and it means there is a new drug in town?

    What? One that you feed to your domestiques but not team leaders? Seems highly unlikely. When the likes of Uran and Porte are up there everyday it suggests it just isn't as hard a pace as people are suggesting and that a few riders are badly out of form / ill. I wouldn't be surprised to see some Covid positives among the riders in today's results.
    The pace was hard. What JV did was:
    - Make use of WvA his cyclocross expertise by setting a short super hard effort to get everybody tired (after that he went chilling on Bernal his wheel)
    - Then Tom Dumoulin as a time trail specialist than went on time trailing JV up the mountain to punish everyone their tired legs.

    The reason why guys like Pogacar can deal with this, is because he is an excellent time trailist himself and can deal with these hard efforts. Richie Porte is also not bad in time trailing.

    This was not a slow and steady climbing pace that suits Bernal what JV did.

  • zest28 said:

    Pross said:

    Is it just me thinking that when the big guys of the classics drop the minute climbers up a mountain, then we are rewinding an old tape and it means there is a new drug in town?

    What? One that you feed to your domestiques but not team leaders? Seems highly unlikely. When the likes of Uran and Porte are up there everyday it suggests it just isn't as hard a pace as people are suggesting and that a few riders are badly out of form / ill. I wouldn't be surprised to see some Covid positives among the riders in today's results.
    The pace was hard. What JV did was:
    - Make use of WvA his cyclocross expertise by setting a short super hard effort to get everybody tired (after that he went chilling on Bernal his wheel)
    - Then Tom Dumoulin as a time trail specialist than went on time trailing JV up the mountain to punish everyone their tired legs.

    The reason why guys like Pogacar can deal with this, is because he is an excellent time trailist himself and can deal with these hard efforts. Richie Porte is also not bad in time trailing.

    This was not a slow and steady climbing pace that suits Bernal what JV did.

    A 7km+ "short effort" from WvA!

    They are in big trouble when he puts in along effort in that case!
  • Matti66Matti66 Posts: 188
    pblakeney said:

    RichN95. said:

    pblakeney said:

    RichN95. said:

    pblakeney said:

    DeadCalm said:

    Pross said:

    DeadCalm said:

    DeadCalm said:

    To be fair, not many riders have won it when they're scarcely out of the jnr ranks. He has a LOT of time on his side.

    We all thought that about Ullrich, IIRC ;-)
    I'm putting this one down to probable illness until I hear otherwise. But someone (RichN95 I believe) once posited a theory that Colombians peak and then decline earlier than European riders, possibly due to having an advantage growing up at altitude that diminishes the longer they spend riding in Europe. I do think that theory has merit, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Bernal was a one-time winner of the Tour.
    It looked to me like he just bonked or ran out of food or something.
    Bonking is a possibility but would be downright amateur. Surely a team like Ineos (remember all the guff about their feeding strategy on the Froome wonder stage in the Giro) would never let that happen?

    Froome bonked / nearly bonked on that stage where Porte?? got fined for going back to the car after the latest feed didn't he?
    I was being facetious, making a little bit of fun out of the Ineos claim that they had so scientifically calculated Froome's calorific intake on that stage in the Giro.

    Regardless of how you cut it, it would be a damning statement on a team that prides itself on marginal gains. That's as basic as it gets.

    The problem that day was their lead car broke down and they couldn't get the second one up quick enough.
    ...and we are back to basics again. I've never had a car less than 8 years old break down. Mercedes, Ford or Grenadier this time?

    Jaguar I think. The problem was they had a cool box in the boot filled with ice/water and for some reason it had tipped over and blown electrics.
    Not good for Jaguar then.
    That'll learn them.
    I thought it was the feral fans who threw a bucket of water in through drivers window ,
    Sky where just being diplomatic ,
  • ProssPross Posts: 28,325
    zest28 said:

    Pross said:

    Is it just me thinking that when the big guys of the classics drop the minute climbers up a mountain, then we are rewinding an old tape and it means there is a new drug in town?

    What? One that you feed to your domestiques but not team leaders? Seems highly unlikely. When the likes of Uran and Porte are up there everyday it suggests it just isn't as hard a pace as people are suggesting and that a few riders are badly out of form / ill. I wouldn't be surprised to see some Covid positives among the riders in today's results.
    The pace was hard. What JV did was:
    - Make use of WvA his cyclocross expertise by setting a short super hard effort to get everybody tired (after that he went chilling on Bernal his wheel)
    - Then Tom Dumoulin as a time trail specialist than went on time trailing JV up the mountain to punish everyone their tired legs.

    The reason why guys like Pogacar can deal with this, is because he is an excellent time trailist himself and can deal with these hard efforts. Richie Porte is also not bad in time trailing.

    This was not a slow and steady climbing pace that suits Bernal what JV did.

    Two of Bernal's own domestiques were sitting comfortably in the group still at the time Bernal got dropped. There will still quite a few second string GC riders left even at the end.
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