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Riis returns

RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,793
Bjarne Riis, as rumoured, is officially taking over NTT (formerly Dimension Data) with some Danish backers as co-owners. Official press conference/funeral for African cycling tomorrow
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  • gweedsgweeds Posts: 2,008
    Urgh
    Napoleon, don't be jealous that I've been chatting online with babes all day. Besides, we both know that I'm training to be a cage fighter.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 45,270 Lives Here
    Exciting.
  • redvisionredvision Posts: 2,453
    I know some won't agree and think he (and past dopers) have no place in cycling, but i've always liked Riis and will be pleased to see him back in the top level of the sport.
  • amrushtonamrushton Posts: 609
    Good (or bad depending on your view). denmark has produced some excellent riders, look at the ones who appear with Wiggins on 'Dane of the Day' ;-)
  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 5,742
    amrushton said:

    Good (or bad depending on your view). denmark has produced some excellent riders, look at the ones who appear with Wiggins on 'Dane of the Day' ;-)

    😊
    I don't hold to the 'can never be forgiven' trope but... would prefer a bit of contrition, hand up, yes I did it, fair cop, you know David Miller style. Recall an episode of The Cycling Podcast during the Tour from some years back which had an interview with Riis where he came across as in aggressive total denial.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,793
    edited 8 January
    orraloon said:

    amrushton said:

    Good (or bad depending on your view). denmark has produced some excellent riders, look at the ones who appear with Wiggins on 'Dane of the Day' ;-)

    😊
    I don't hold to the 'can never be forgiven' trope but... would prefer a bit of contrition, hand up, yes I did it, fair cop, you know David Miller style. Recall an episode of The Cycling Podcast during the Tour from some years back which had an interview with Riis where he came across as in aggressive total denial.

    Was that Riis? I remember them doing one with Rasmussen were he came across as a sociopath who felt that anti-doping was some sort of infringement of his human rights.
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 45,270 Lives Here
    Best tactical DS I can remember, save for perhaps bruyneel (for all his BORING tactics, they were rather good), though arguably Riis can do more with less.

    That 2008 Sastre victory was a tactical materpeice.
  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 5,742
    RichN95. said:

    orraloon said:

    amrushton said:

    Good (or bad depending on your view). denmark has produced some excellent riders, look at the ones who appear with Wiggins on 'Dane of the Day' ;-)

    😊
    I don't hold to the 'can never be forgiven' trope but... would prefer a bit of contrition, hand up, yes I did it, fair cop, you know David Miller style. Recall an episode of The Cycling Podcast during the Tour from some years back which had an interview with Riis where he came across as in aggressive total denial.

    Was that Riis? I remember them doing one with Rasmussen were he came across as a sociopath who felt that anti-doping was some sort of infringement of his human rights.
    Ah, indeed. Mea culpa methinks. Could well have been Rasmussen I was thinking of in that Cycling Podcast interview. You know you are getting middle aged when... πŸ˜‰
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,793
    edited 8 January
    orraloon said:



    Ah, indeed. Mea culpa methinks. Could well have been Rasmussen I was thinking of in that Cycling Podcast interview. You know you are getting middle aged when... πŸ˜‰


    I don't Riis has ever said much about his doping at all. More just a shrug of the shoulders and 'what happened happened'
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  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 45,270 Lives Here
    RichN95. said:

    orraloon said:



    Ah, indeed. Mea culpa methinks. Could well have been Rasmussen I was thinking of in that Cycling Podcast interview. You know you are getting middle aged when... πŸ˜‰


    I don't Riis has ever said much about his doping at all. More just a shrug of the shoulders and 'what happened happened'
    I think he eludes to the cost it has had on his health in Overcoming. Long time since I watched it but IIRC there's a bit where he complains about the constant headaches he gets since he retired. Haven't watched it since he admitted to it all but I remember thinking it was a curious bit at the time.
  • carbonclemcarbonclem Posts: 861
    Wasn’t he outed as being lazy and useless as a DS. Found watching box sets on an iPad in the car in stages of the tour when with Tinkov?
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 45,270 Lives Here
    Find that hard to believe but if it happened it happened.

    I guess what's more surprising is that Hamilton made it clear that Riis encouraged his riders to get on a decent doping program, which might stick in Bruyneel's craw.
  • andypandyp Posts: 8,115
    Whatever you think about his past misdemeanours, he's exactly what NTT need, i.e. someone who's going to teach them how to win bike races.
  • RichN95.RichN95. Posts: 22,793
    edited 9 January
    I wonder how good he will be. The sport has moved on at a quick rate over the last decade and he's been out for five years and maybe he'd been going stale for the last couple of them. This seems like a football club bringing back Kenny Dalglish or Kevin Keegan as manager (a lot further back admittedly).
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  • gsk82gsk82 Posts: 2,396
    RichN95. said:

    I wonder how good he will be. The sport has moved on at a quick rate over the last decade and he's been out for five years and maybe he'd been going stale for the last couple of them. This seems like a football club bringing back Kenny Dalglish or Kevin Keegan as manager (a lot further back admittedly).

    Jose Mourihno then.
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  • redvisionredvision Posts: 2,453
    Don't forget he's been involved since leaving tinkoff in the lower cycling ranks (continental) and with women's cycling, so has stayed quite involved.
  • ugo.santaluciaugo.santalucia Posts: 24,008
    Happy for him... he's always struggled with his mental health, so it's good to see him back...
  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 1,637
    redvision said:

    Don't forget he's been involved since leaving tinkoff in the lower cycling ranks (continental) and with women's cycling, so has stayed quite involved.

    So he was only 60% unemployed?
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  • zest28zest28 Posts: 121
    andyp said:

    Whatever you think about his past misdemeanours, he's exactly what NTT need, i.e. someone who's going to teach them how to win bike races.

    Riis has no experiencing winning races as it was the drugs that did it.

    People should not learn from this guy on how to β€œwin”.
  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 1,637
    What a well thought out and nuanced opinion. :p
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  • zest28zest28 Posts: 121
    It is not an opinion, it is a fact that his only claim to success is due to doping. Without it, nobody would even remember his name.

    The guy is a looser as he was involved with doping of riders while he was a team manager of CSC. Also he was fine when Hamilton was doping while he was a team manager (not a surprise since he is a cheat himself).

    Riis should be not be able manage riders at all given his history.
  • philbar72philbar72 Posts: 2,215
    Riis advised Cav to try for the stage in Brive in 2012, which in any other persons mind would have been one for the break, amongst many others. he's a pretty shrewd tactician.

    as for the team he's inherited they are probably not going to influence races as much as he'd like.
  • rick_chaseyrick_chasey Posts: 45,270 Lives Here
    zest28 said:

    andyp said:

    Whatever you think about his past misdemeanours, he's exactly what NTT need, i.e. someone who's going to teach them how to win bike races.

    Riis has no experiencing winning races as it was the drugs that did it.

    People should not learn from this guy on how to β€œwin”.
    You calling Sastre a doper?
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