SAGAN to Giro in 2020

Alejandrosdog

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/50175459


wooop the Giro is definitely cementing its position as the best GT for me.

RichN95.

I can see a lot of sprinters opting for the Giro this year. There's a lot there for them in the first two weeks.

blazing_saddles

Alejandrosdog wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/50175459


wooop the Giro is definitely cementing its position as the best GT for me.

Possible Sagan stages:

Stage 4 finish by my reckoning is around 4kms at 5%.



Stage 6 if they put the hammer down on the climb and get rid of any pure sprinters.



Stages 9 and 10.





Stage 13.



After which he will call it a day and leave the race.

ShutupJens

Blazing Saddles wrote:

After which he will call it a day and leave the race.

Which is why the Giro isn't the best grand tour. No one gives a sh1t about any of the jerseys except pink and the third week is so one dimensional

Pross

ShutupJens wrote:

Blazing Saddles wrote:

After which he will call it a day and leave the race.

Which is why the Giro isn't the best grand tour. No one gives a sh1t about any of the jerseys except pink and the third week is so one dimensional

Careful, you're not a true cycling fan if you don't regularly point out that the Giro is better than the Tour!

blazing_saddles

ShutupJens wrote:

Blazing Saddles wrote:

After which he will call it a day and leave the race.

Which is why the Giro isn't the best grand tour. No one gives a sh1t about any of the jerseys except pink and the third week is so one dimensional

This year there will be a lot of riders who won't be giving a sh1t about the third week of the Tour, either.

blazing_saddles

I might as well post this here.
I know that the UK likes to mimic all things US, but I hope that we aren't heading for a similar California experience over here.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/tour-of-britain/tour-britain-womens-tour-searching-new-main-sponsor-replace-ovo-energy-441711

dowtcha

Tour of california has been canceled. I guess he might as well go to a grand tour instead.

blazing_saddles

He will not be alone. The Tour being such a tough gig next year, followed immediately by Tokyo, riders are turning in droves towards Italy.

Ackermann, Majka, Pat Konrad and Max Schachmann will be joining Sagan at the Giro.

rick_chasey

I always got the feeling that riders came out of the Tour in good form, if knackered, and it wasn't impossible to hold the form over to the Olympics.

RichN95.

Delete

andyp

rick_chasey said:

I always got the feeling that riders came out of the Tour in good form, if knackered, and it wasn't impossible to hold the form over to the Olympics.

Agreed. The issue is the flight and time difference though. Finish the Tour and you've got four days to get Japan and adjust to the time difference. Which is a big ask.

rick_chasey

andyp said:

rick_chasey said:

I always got the feeling that riders came out of the Tour in good form, if knackered, and it wasn't impossible to hold the form over to the Olympics.

Agreed. The issue is the flight and time difference though. Finish the Tour and you've got four days to get Japan and adjust to the time difference. Which is a big ask.

See, this is the kind of detail that crowdsouricng chat on the forum can bring you.

rick_chasey

I have often wondered whether, for one off events, whether it's worth even bothering with adjusting to the local time and just using blackout curtains and full spectum lights to keep it going.

I imagine there is a good reason why this is nonsense.

No_Ta_Doctor

rick_chasey said:

I have often wondered whether, for one off events, whether it's worth even bothering with adjusting to the local time and just using blackout curtains and full spectum lights to keep it going.

I imagine there is a good reason why this is nonsense.

Well the fact that the race will be ridden in local time might screw that plan up a bit. Given that riders have a set preparation for a ride - get up, eat breakfast, warm up, sign on etc. - it would probably be ridiculously hard to try and do that e.g. in the middle of their non-adjusted body-clock night. A sign-on time of 10am in Japan is 2am in France.

rick_chasey

Ja fair.

TheBigBean

I'm not convinced whether a race starting at 9am or 9pm makes much difference, so I would discount jetlag.

I do think the likely 20 hours of travel can't be good preparation though.

m.r.m.

Makes a difference for your bowel movement if you are regular and can thus cause issues during a 6-7 hour race.

bobmcstuff

TheBlueBean said:

I'm not convinced whether a race starting at 9am or 9pm makes much difference, so I would discount jetlag.

I do think the likely 20 hours of travel can't be good preparation though.

The time of the event makes an enormous difference. Both with relation to your individual chronotype (https://sportsmedicine-open.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40798-018-0162-z) and to your training.

The body adapts very well to perform at specific times, and you can use this to counteract your natural circadian rhythm to some extent (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22531613). Olympic athletes do specific training based on the time of day the event is going to be at. That's why there was a load of controversy when they changed the timings very close to the events. Even amateurs will notice this, if you do all your training in the evening you will find it initially much more difficult to train in the morning and vice-versa.

The interaction between an individuals' circadian rhythm and athletic performance is unequivocal. So if you throw someone off by 8 hours by travelling to Japan it could have a very significant difference (this article says one study found up to 26% https://www.insidescience.org/news/time-day-could-impact-athletes-performance-peak).

You could argue that the difference may be less significant in longer duration events like a bike race.

bobmcstuff

I write a well referenced response, wasting a good hour or so of work's time, and nobody replies. Typical.

m.r.m.

Sometimes when you do the work, there is no other opinion. You achieve acceptance.

rick_chasey

bobmcstuff said:

I write a well referenced response, wasting a good hour or so of work's time, and nobody replies. Typical.

Hahaha yeah it’s hard to really argue with that.

TheBigBean

bobmcstuff said:

I write a well referenced response, wasting a good hour or so of work's time, and nobody replies. Typical.

There there. I didn't completely agree (see peer critiques in your link), but I am no expert and also it's not something I care too greatly about, so I didn't think it was worth arguing about.

m.r.m.

This is like standing in the ring with the other guy knocked out at your feet and complaining about being bored.

flite

stunned into silence...

gsk82

bobmcstuff said:

TheBlueBean said:

I'm not convinced whether a race starting at 9am or 9pm makes much difference, so I would discount jetlag.

I do think the likely 20 hours of travel can't be good preparation though.

The time of the event makes an enormous difference. Both with relation to your individual chronotype (https://sportsmedicine-open.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40798-018-0162-z) and to your training.

The body adapts very well to perform at specific times, and you can use this to counteract your natural circadian rhythm to some extent (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22531613). Olympic athletes do specific training based on the time of day the event is going to be at. That's why there was a load of controversy when they changed the timings very close to the events. Even amateurs will notice this, if you do all your training in the evening you will find it initially much more difficult to train in the morning and vice-versa.

The interaction between an individuals' circadian rhythm and athletic performance is unequivocal. So if you throw someone off by 8 hours by travelling to Japan it could have a very significant difference (this article says one study found up to 26% https://www.insidescience.org/news/time-day-could-impact-athletes-performance-peak).

You could argue that the difference may be less significant in longer duration events like a bike race.

This is bullshit. Theyre professional athlete not widgets.

Is that the sort of reply you wanted?

bobmcstuff

gsk82 said:

bobmcstuff said:

TheBlueBean said:

I'm not convinced whether a race starting at 9am or 9pm makes much difference, so I would discount jetlag.

I do think the likely 20 hours of travel can't be good preparation though.

The time of the event makes an enormous difference. Both with relation to your individual chronotype (https://sportsmedicine-open.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40798-018-0162-z) and to your training.

The body adapts very well to perform at specific times, and you can use this to counteract your natural circadian rhythm to some extent (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22531613). Olympic athletes do specific training based on the time of day the event is going to be at. That's why there was a load of controversy when they changed the timings very close to the events. Even amateurs will notice this, if you do all your training in the evening you will find it initially much more difficult to train in the morning and vice-versa.

The interaction between an individuals' circadian rhythm and athletic performance is unequivocal. So if you throw someone off by 8 hours by travelling to Japan it could have a very significant difference (this article says one study found up to 26% https://www.insidescience.org/news/time-day-could-impact-athletes-performance-peak).

You could argue that the difference may be less significant in longer duration events like a bike race.

This is bullshit. Theyre professional athlete not widgets.

Is that the sort of reply you wanted?

I mainly wanted everyone to bow to my superior knowledge (obtained from a combination of the TrainerRoad podcast and Google).

Longshot

bobmcstuff said:

TheBlueBean said:

I'm not convinced whether a race starting at 9am or 9pm makes much difference, so I would discount jetlag.

I do think the likely 20 hours of travel can't be good preparation though.

The time of the event makes an enormous difference. Both with relation to your individual chronotype (https://sportsmedicine-open.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40798-018-0162-z) and to your training.

The body adapts very well to perform at specific times, and you can use this to counteract your natural circadian rhythm to some extent (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22531613). Olympic athletes do specific training based on the time of day the event is going to be at. That's why there was a load of controversy when they changed the timings very close to the events. Even amateurs will notice this, if you do all your training in the evening you will find it initially much more difficult to train in the morning and vice-versa.

The interaction between an individuals' circadian rhythm and athletic performance is unequivocal. So if you throw someone off by 8 hours by travelling to Japan it could have a very significant difference (this article says one study found up to 26% https://www.insidescience.org/news/time-day-could-impact-athletes-performance-peak).

You could argue that the difference may be less significant in longer duration events like a bike race.

You win the internet. Genius.

(How's that?)

bobmcstuff

Better, thanks

No_Ta_Doctor

All hail bob.

gsk82

Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob Bob