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Want to go faster uphill? Ride single speed

Cheeseface22Cheeseface22 Posts: 133
edited August 2019 in Road general
I'm a cheapskate. I can't afford plush £££ road bike nor have the time for constant maintenance.
I'm on 80s road bike converted to SS (48x17, 74.6 GI) with 25c Marathon+.
I never wear lycra; I'm on running top and baggy cargo shorts with 25L backpack with all sorts of stuff.
Heavy slog ghetto commuter.

With the warmer weather I'm seeing more people on bike, both commuters and team lycra, which is great!
More people on bike, less cars to worry about.

A (snobby) observation I made recently. Team lycra seem to bomb down hill much faster than me. But when it comes to even a slight incline, then instantly slow down and I pass them like a car passing a pedestrian. I have no idea who they are, novice or serious, how long they've been riding before I encounter them, what they're on, etc. Consistenly, I'm on a different level from those "leisure" cyclists on uphills.

By riding single speed all the time, I seem to have built up some serious beans going uphill.

So if you want to get faster going uphill, get a single speed!*

*or just stay on heavier gear and grind...
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  • imposter2.0imposter2.0 Posts: 11,003
    Struggling with the conflation and flawed logic here - but I assume you're just joking, so its fine...
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,571
    i'm struggling with his sentence structure and grammar, tbh

    #wtfisheonabout?
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • darkhairedlorddarkhairedlord Posts: 5,524
    he overtook an old man turning left and thinks he's the new schleck.
  • jgsijgsi Posts: 5,026
    Ive no shame to admit (honest) that the Brickworks beat me when I was on my fixie.
    No such thing as a walk of shame when you feel like your knee caps are about to pop out.
  • sam_anonsam_anon Posts: 165
    Good work cheeseface, keep it up!

    As you've mentioned, you're comparing against many known unknowns.
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,571
    he overtook an old man turning left and thinks he's the new schleck.


    got ya. clubbie in the making.

    #rucksack
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 4,315
    I passed a single speed going up a hill yesterday. On a cross bike with mudguards.

    If I've understood correctly this makes me faster than the OP and training with mudguards improves climbing.
  • MatthewfalleMatthewfalle Posts: 17,571
    I passed a single speed going up a hill yesterday. On a cross bike with mudguards.

    If I've understood correctly this makes me faster than the OP and training with mudguards improves climbing.

    #speedy
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • I passed a large one on Tuesday.
  • peatpeat Posts: 1,243
    A (snobby) observation I made ....]

    You said it....
  • lesfirthlesfirth Posts: 1,075
    OK Cheeseface, I have thought about this and I think the best thing you can do is remove your saddle . You will save some weight and ride out of the saddle everywhere. You will be even faster.
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 11,358
    lesfirth wrote:
    OK Cheeseface, I have thought about this and I think the best thing you can do is remove your saddle . You will save some weight and ride out of the saddle everywhere. You will be even faster.

    Removing handlebars will save weight and improve balance.
  • PhilipPirripPhilipPirrip Posts: 616
    lesfirth wrote:
    OK Cheeseface, I have thought about this and I think the best thing you can do is remove your saddle . You will save some weight and ride out of the saddle everywhere. You will be even faster.

    Removing handlebars will save weight and improve balance.
    Let's take this to its ultimate conclusion and realise a unicycle is the answer; no bars, no frame and one wheel. Saddle is optional.
  • lesfirthlesfirth Posts: 1,075
    lesfirth wrote:
    OK Cheeseface, I have thought about this and I think the best thing you can do is remove your saddle . You will save some weight and ride out of the saddle everywhere. You will be even faster.

    Removing handlebars will save weight and improve balance.
    Let's take this to its ultimate conclusion and realise a unicycle is the answer; no bars, no frame and one wheel. Saddle is optional.

    You guys are just being silly now!
  • david7mdavid7m Posts: 636
    This thread was only ever going to go one way.......:lol:
  • kingstongrahamkingstongraham Posts: 11,358
    lesfirth wrote:
    OK Cheeseface, I have thought about this and I think the best thing you can do is remove your saddle . You will save some weight and ride out of the saddle everywhere. You will be even faster.

    Removing handlebars will save weight and improve balance.
    Let's take this to its ultimate conclusion and realise a unicycle is the answer; no bars, no frame and one wheel. Saddle is optional.

    I did see someone doing the Dragon Ride on a unicycle a few years ago. He wasn't the fastest, so that proves the OP wrong.
  • Cheeseface22Cheeseface22 Posts: 133
    Remove all cars and...

    WE ALL CYCLE FASTER
  • imposter2.0imposter2.0 Posts: 11,003
    Remove all cars and...

    WE ALL CYCLE FASTER

    Disclaimer

    ** does not include closed road circuits, or roads where traffic is already absent...
  • landmannnnlandmannnn Posts: 13
    It isn't such a foolish suggestion that a single speed will develop hill climbing.

    As you only have two options on steep hills (keep going or walk) and not being able to spin up the hill at 5 mph, then you would develop the muscles and skills to climb at 10 mph as you have little choice.
  • First.AspectFirst.Aspect Posts: 4,315
    landmannnn wrote:
    It isn't such a foolish suggestion that a single speed will develop hill climbing.

    As you only have two options on steep hills (keep going or walk) and not being able to spin up the hill at 5 mph, then you would develop the muscles and skills to climb at 10 mph as you have little choice.
    Riding up hills develops hill climbing.

    If spinning up a hill is ultimately faster (look at the pros) then it's unclear to me how training the muscles you need to grind up them is going to help.

    The "single speed for training" concept is one that just won't go away isn't it? Like the after taste from a kebab.
  • cyclecliniccycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Single speed can climb like scolded cats.

    I would go further than removing just the saddle. Ditch the seat post too.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • imposter2.0imposter2.0 Posts: 11,003
    Single speed can climb like scolded cats.

    Bikes don’t climb, riders do..
  • john1967john1967 Posts: 366
    Go team lycra.
  • Cheeseface22Cheeseface22 Posts: 133
    If spinning up a hill is ultimately faster (look at the pros) then it's unclear to me how training the muscles you need to grind up them is going to help.

    The "single speed for training" concept is one that just won't go away isn't it? Like the after taste from a kebab.

    Oh dear. I'm sorry that you're not quite enlightened. But that's okay, if you're happy, then I'm happy for you.
  • imposter2.0imposter2.0 Posts: 11,003
    Obvious troll is obvious...
  • diamonddogdiamonddog Posts: 3,368
    This OP has the whiff of Milemuncher. :shock:
  • zest28zest28 Posts: 286
    I beat Pantani and Lance Armstrong on an e-bike climbing uphill.

    So get an e-bike if you want to ride faster up hill.
  • pblakeneypblakeney Posts: 12,652
    Trumped by a Suzuki.
    Although Trump doesn't like being beaten by the Japanese.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • landmannnn wrote:

    If spinning up a hill is ultimately faster (look at the pros) then it's unclear to me how training the muscles you need to grind up them is going to help.

    The "single speed for training" concept is one that just won't go away isn't it?

    Two things.
    1. It forces the you to work hard when they otherwise wouldn't, ie at times when you just spin easy if you had gears you go hard because it's that or get off and push. (Obviously you could choose to work hard with gears, but often you don't)
    2. It forces you to do low cadence training. I've don't know whether this is really a benefit, but I saw a video where mikel landa said he does it so I gess at least some pros do. If you also ride a geared bike I expect the variety is beneficial versus always spinning. Low cadence to stress the muscles, high cadence to stress the heart and lungs (stressing things causing adaption and all that)

    Obviously you don't need a single speed to do this, I think the key thing is that once you've chosen to ride it, your forced to do these things. Which for most people who don't actually train, is important.

    From personal exprience, before I got the road bike I had a single speed for getting about town and had a pretty steep hill on my way to work. I reckon this helped alot with climbing on the road bike.
  • imposter2.0imposter2.0 Posts: 11,003
    Low cadence to stress the muscles, high cadence to stress the heart and lungs (stressing things causing adaption and all that)

    It's not quite as simple as that. High cadence also stresses muscles and low cadence also stresses your cardiovascular system. Your overall energy demand (decided by your weight + the gradient + the speed you wish to ride at) will be the same or similar regardless of your cadence. Obviously there is an optimum cadence for any given situation, but the answer is not nearly as binary as you suggest.
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