Do you use powder when wearing bibshorts?

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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    Imposter wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Navrig2 wrote:

    There is a difference between hygiene and washing.

    My granma was born in 1910... she lived to almost 100 and never needed medications, in her days she would have a bath every 6 months and wash her hair with the same frequency... it was fairly common back then for those living in the countryside with access to water limited to a well.
    Her hair never looked dirty... pretty remarkable. Compare with the majority of frequent washing folks whose hair looks greasy after a day or two :lol:

    There will, undoubtedly, also be people who live to a similar age and who wash every day. There will also be those who swear that the secret to old age is smoking 20 a day and two bottles of stout every night. Not sure what point you're making..

    Confirming the point made above that hygiene and washing are separate things.
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  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Imposter wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Navrig2 wrote:

    There is a difference between hygiene and washing.

    My granma was born in 1910... she lived to almost 100 and never needed medications, in her days she would have a bath every 6 months and wash her hair with the same frequency... it was fairly common back then for those living in the countryside with access to water limited to a well.
    Her hair never looked dirty... pretty remarkable. Compare with the majority of frequent washing folks whose hair looks greasy after a day or two :lol:

    There will, undoubtedly, also be people who live to a similar age and who wash every day. There will also be those who swear that the secret to old age is smoking 20 a day and two bottles of stout every night. Not sure what point you're making..

    Confirming the point made above that hygiene and washing are separate things.

    Nothing in your post above 'confirms' that. A story about someone not washing very often is not evidence that they were hygienic.
  • haydenm
    haydenm Posts: 2,997
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Navrig2 wrote:

    There is a difference between hygiene and washing.

    My granma was born in 1910... she lived to almost 100 and never needed medications, in her days she would have a bath every 6 months and wash her hair with the same frequency... it was fairly common back then for those living in the countryside with access to water limited to a well.
    Her hair never looked dirty... pretty remarkable. Compare with the majority of frequent washing folks whose hair looks greasy after a day or two :lol:

    Interestingly, I noticed that after a week or two of not washing my hair with anything other than water it didn't go greasy at all. I've not extended that to the rest of my body but I very rarely wash my hair with anything other than water these days and it's fine
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    HaydenM wrote:

    Interestingly, I noticed that after a week or two of not washing my hair with anything other than water it didn't go greasy at all. I've not extended that to the rest of my body but I very rarely wash my hair with anything other than water these days and it's fine

    Yep... it's actually easier to get rid of body wash then it is to get rid of shampoo...
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  • haydenm
    haydenm Posts: 2,997
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    HaydenM wrote:

    Interestingly, I noticed that after a week or two of not washing my hair with anything other than water it didn't go greasy at all. I've not extended that to the rest of my body but I very rarely wash my hair with anything other than water these days and it's fine

    Yep... it's actually easier to get rid of body wash then it is to get rid of shampoo...

    I'd be interested to try it, as I say, the hair washing thing genuinely took me by surprise. If you don't wash your hair for a few days it goes greasy, you'd expect that to continue but it doesn't. I wonder if I can mask a week of stench with deodorant until I adapt though... :lol:
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    HaydenM wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    HaydenM wrote:

    Interestingly, I noticed that after a week or two of not washing my hair with anything other than water it didn't go greasy at all. I've not extended that to the rest of my body but I very rarely wash my hair with anything other than water these days and it's fine

    Yep... it's actually easier to get rid of body wash then it is to get rid of shampoo...

    I'd be interested to try it, as I say, the hair washing thing genuinely took me by surprise. If you don't wash your hair for a few days it goes greasy, you'd expect that to continue but it doesn't. I wonder if I can mask a week of stench with deodorant until I adapt though... :lol:

    I suspect deodorants kill bacteria too, so back to the same problem as using body wash... I wouldn't bother.
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  • carbonclem
    carbonclem Posts: 1,798
    Surely, even if you are avoiding nasty shower gels, then a plain water shower regularly is a good idea?

    When I've ridden, I'll have sweat deposits on my face, grime on legs, arms. Sweat in the groin area left surely isn't helping avoid saddle sores?

    But even, cleanliness aside, isn't having a post ride shower just 'nice'?
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    CarbonClem wrote:
    Surely, even if you are avoiding nasty shower gels, then a plain water shower regularly is a good idea?

    When I've ridden, I'll have sweat deposits on my face, grime on legs, arms. Sweat in the groin area left surely isn't helping avoid saddle sores?

    But even, cleanliness aside, isn't having a post ride shower just 'nice'?

    Yes, I agree. I do shower with water if I'm really sweaty... I don't sweat very much though, it's a cold country and I was raised in a different climate... :lol:

    Funny enough, saddle sores have disappeared completely when I stopped using chamois creme... :shock:
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  • chippyk
    chippyk Posts: 529
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    soap and water kill bacteria... all of them indiscriminately. If you abuse it (ie shower with foam every day) YOU MIGHT damage the balance of good bacteria living on your skin.... this might or might not have consequences.

    As I said, I got rid of itchiness and have no drawbacks, others will have different experience. If it's not for you, it's not for you... :-)

    Also, don't confuse washing your hands after being to a public loo with covering your entire body with shower gel every day... different things. You can come into contact with harmful bacteria via your hands, which can end up in your mouth or eyes, but you won't come into contact with them via the rest of your body... I still wash my hands :wink:

    Water does not kill bacteria. Common skin bacteria cannot live without water. Water dilutes bacteria to a level that is not harmful. There is no such thing as good bacteria and bad bacteria. It’s perfectly fine to have MRSA on your skin if you’re healthy, you may possibly have it. When any bacteria becomes a problem is if you have a cut and your immune system is compromised and cannot fight the infection. The perfectly normal colonised wound becomes critically colonised and a biofilm infection takes hold.
    Again, no such thing as good and bad bacteria, it’s marketing crap.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    ChippyK wrote:
    Again, no such thing as good and bad bacteria, it’s marketing crap.

    I'd rather have some lactobacilli than Mycobacterium tuberculosis or Yersinia pestis to be honest... :wink:
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  • chippyk
    chippyk Posts: 529
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    ChippyK wrote:
    Again, no such thing as good and bad bacteria, it’s marketing crap.

    I'd rather have some lactobacilli than Mycobacterium tuberculosis or Yersinia pestis to be honest... :wink:

    Depends which lactobacillus spp. Over a dozen types of lactobacillus, half a dozen of them are pathogenic, especially with a pre existing comorbidity. They will happily cause infection in the immuno compromised.
  • wongataa
    wongataa Posts: 1,001
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    I suspect deodorants kill bacteria too, so back to the same problem as using body wash... I wouldn't bother.
    Soap & water, body wash, shampoo, and deodorants don't kill bacteria.

    Soap, body wash etc. just wash off dirt and bacteria. Only soaps specified as anti bacterial could kill bacteria as they have anti bacterial agents in them. Deodorant just adds fragrance to where it is put, it doesn't stop sweating either - antiperspirants stop sweating.
    there is a high risk your skin gets colonised by harmful bacteria, with all sorts of nasty consequences (including fungal infections)
    Bacteria can't cause fungal infections. Only fungus can cause fungal infections. Bacteria can cause bacterial infections.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 27,499
    wongataa wrote:
    ...Deodorant just adds fragrance to where it is put, it doesn't stop sweating either - antiperspirants stop sweating....quote]
    Point of order. Antiperspirants do not stop sweating, they stop sweating in the applied area. Your body will compensate by sweating more in another area, or overheat. Neither of which is good.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
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  • wongataa
    wongataa Posts: 1,001
    PBlakeney wrote:
    wongataa wrote:
    ...Deodorant just adds fragrance to where it is put, it doesn't stop sweating either - antiperspirants stop sweating....quote]
    Point of order. Antiperspirants do not stop sweating, they stop sweating in the applied area. Your body will compensate by sweating more in another area, or overheat. Neither of which is good.
    Yes, I should have said they just stop sweating where they are applied!
  • photonic69
    photonic69 Posts: 2,978
    wongataa wrote:
    Soap, body wash etc. just wash off dirt and bacteria. Only soaps specified as anti bacterial could kill bacteria as they have anti bacterial agents in them.

    Um, that is actual BS. Water alone will kill MOST bacteria by osmosis through the cell walls. The increase in H2O in the cell kills it. Hot soapy water works better and will kill 99.9% of bacteria. There are some rarer water borne bacteria to which this doesn't apply but they are the minority

    I know a University Professor who studies bacteria and does research in skin borne MRSA who confirms this.


    Sometimes. Maybe. Possibly.

  • haydenm
    haydenm Posts: 2,997
    I think I found with the hair thing that I was surprised at how much less skin oil/grease you produce when you stop washing with soap. Probably has little bearing on actual hygiene but I've not died yet, though I do wash in hot water daily (bar of soap for the rest of me). Maybe someone could try regularly splashing their underside with boiling water and let us know the results?
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    PhotoNic69 wrote:
    wongataa wrote:
    Soap, body wash etc. just wash off dirt and bacteria. Only soaps specified as anti bacterial could kill bacteria as they have anti bacterial agents in them.

    Um, that is actual BS. Water alone will kill MOST bacteria by osmosis through the cell walls. The increase in H2O in the cell kills it. Hot soapy water works better and will kill 99.9% of bacteria. There are some rarer water borne bacteria to which this doesn't apply but they are the minority

    I know a University Professor who studies bacteria and does research in skin borne MRSA who confirms this.

    yep
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  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    wongataa wrote:
    Bacteria can't cause fungal infections. Only fungus can cause fungal infections. Bacteria can cause bacterial infections.

    ... obviously
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  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    First Aspect wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Webboo wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    I am known to wash very little, any ride of less than 100 km is not even worth a shower... that said, I have never experienced such issue
    Generally it’s other people who would notice how much you stink.

    NO such reports...

    It all started by not wanting to shower at work, as it's too much hassle... merino base layer allows you to do so, with no unwanted odour (although not sure the same can be said about clothes drying on the radiator's office, but that's the same regardless of whether you wash or not).
    I then realised that the need to shower is more a habit than anything. Skin is a lot healthier, virtually got rid of itching, which was quite common after using body wash products.

    There is no side effect that I can see (or other can smell) so I don't see the need to go back to a daily shower. The 100 km rule is a rule of thumb... might be less if it's hot in summer.

    Some people smell more than others, so it doesn't work for all... it works for me
    I don't have a shower at work. I shower before and after work.

    But then, I do work in an open plan space at the moment. When that changes in a couple of months I plan on going feral like Ugo.

    You won't regret it... the more you wash, the more you stink if you don't... it's a question of which bacteria populate your skin. If you keep killing them with body wash, there is a high risk your skin gets colonised by harmful bacteria, with all sorts of nasty consequences (including fungal infections).
    If you really need to wash to remove the salty sweat, use just water, we didn't evolve to use soaps
    In this post you appear to be implying that very thing.
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    Webboo wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    First Aspect wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Webboo wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    I am known to wash very little, any ride of less than 100 km is not even worth a shower... that said, I have never experienced such issue
    Generally it’s other people who would notice how much you stink.

    NO such reports...

    It all started by not wanting to shower at work, as it's too much hassle... merino base layer allows you to do so, with no unwanted odour (although not sure the same can be said about clothes drying on the radiator's office, but that's the same regardless of whether you wash or not).
    I then realised that the need to shower is more a habit than anything. Skin is a lot healthier, virtually got rid of itching, which was quite common after using body wash products.

    There is no side effect that I can see (or other can smell) so I don't see the need to go back to a daily shower. The 100 km rule is a rule of thumb... might be less if it's hot in summer.

    Some people smell more than others, so it doesn't work for all... it works for me
    I don't have a shower at work. I shower before and after work.

    But then, I do work in an open plan space at the moment. When that changes in a couple of months I plan on going feral like Ugo.

    You won't regret it... the more you wash, the more you stink if you don't... it's a question of which bacteria populate your skin. If you keep killing them with body wash, there is a high risk your skin gets colonised by harmful bacteria, with all sorts of nasty consequences (including fungal infections).
    If you really need to wash to remove the salty sweat, use just water, we didn't evolve to use soaps
    In this post you appear to be implying that very thing.

    But it's not what I meant.. what I meant is that if you wipe out your natural bacterial flora, you are susceptible to colonisation from other (nastier) bacteria AS WELL AS fungal infections
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  • wongataa
    wongataa Posts: 1,001
    Nasty bacteria on your skin will be harmless unless they get past the skin barrier, say through a cut. Many bacteria people naturally have on their skin will cause unpleasant effects if they get past the skin barrier. There isn't really the concept of good and bad skin bacteria flora unlike there is for the gut flora.
  • Alejandrosdog
    Alejandrosdog Posts: 1,975
    My god what a bunch of goppers.

    to the op wash yourself you gopper.

    nuff said

    #minging
    #everyonewillhateyou
  • ugo.santalucia
    ugo.santalucia Posts: 28,325
    wongataa wrote:
    Nasty bacteria on your skin will be harmless unless they get past the skin barrier, say through a cut. Many bacteria people naturally have on their skin will cause unpleasant effects if they get past the skin barrier. There isn't really the concept of good and bad skin bacteria flora unlike there is for the gut flora.


    That still leaves you with fungal infection as a possibility. :D
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  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,228
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    PhotoNic69 wrote:
    wongataa wrote:
    Soap, body wash etc. just wash off dirt and bacteria. Only soaps specified as anti bacterial could kill bacteria as they have anti bacterial agents in them.

    Um, that is actual BS. Water alone will kill MOST bacteria by osmosis through the cell walls. The increase in H2O in the cell kills it. Hot soapy water works better and will kill 99.9% of bacteria. There are some rarer water borne bacteria to which this doesn't apply but they are the minority

    I know a University Professor who studies bacteria and does research in skin borne MRSA who confirms this.

    yep

    And we all know that those water borne bacteria are no problem at all.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    PhotoNic69 wrote:
    wongataa wrote:
    Soap, body wash etc. just wash off dirt and bacteria. Only soaps specified as anti bacterial could kill bacteria as they have anti bacterial agents in them.

    Um, that is actual BS. Water alone will kill MOST bacteria by osmosis through the cell walls. The increase in H2O in the cell kills it. Hot soapy water works better and will kill 99.9% of bacteria. There are some rarer water borne bacteria to which this doesn't apply but they are the minority

    I know a University Professor who studies bacteria and does research in skin borne MRSA who confirms this.

    yep

    And we all know that those water borne bacteria are no problem at all.

    The water-borne bacteria are wearing diving suits, obviously...
  • Wayne Plunger
    Wayne Plunger Posts: 444
    What if
  • Alejandrosdog
    Alejandrosdog Posts: 1,975
    Imposter wrote:
    KingstonGraham wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    PhotoNic69 wrote:
    wongataa wrote:
    Soap, body wash etc. just wash off dirt and bacteria. Only soaps specified as anti bacterial could kill bacteria as they have anti bacterial agents in them.

    Um, that is actual BS. Water alone will kill MOST bacteria by osmosis through the cell walls. The increase in H2O in the cell kills it. Hot soapy water works better and will kill 99.9% of bacteria. There are some rarer water borne bacteria to which this doesn't apply but they are the minority

    I know a University Professor who studies bacteria and does research in skin borne MRSA who confirms this.

    yep

    And we all know that those water borne bacteria are no problem at all.

    The water-borne bacteria are wearing diving suits, obviously...

    Wearing diving suits and waiting for a chicken
  • mrfpb
    mrfpb Posts: 4,569
    I have billions of bacteria in my gutcthat help me live by breaking down my food. Swapping them for salmonella bacteria is not likely to be a good idea.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    mrfpb wrote:
    I have billions of bacteria in my gutcthat help me live by breaking down my food. Swapping them for salmonella bacteria is not likely to be a good idea.

    as a quick weight loss answer its pretty good actually.

    #lardtolean
    #thinkofOxo
    #discountcode41
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • webboo
    webboo Posts: 6,087
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Webboo wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    First Aspect wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    Webboo wrote:
    ugo.santalucia wrote:
    I am known to wash very little, any ride of less than 100 km is not even worth a shower... that said, I have never experienced such issue
    Generally it’s other people who would notice how much you stink.

    NO such reports...

    It all started by not wanting to shower at work, as it's too much hassle... merino base layer allows you to do so, with no unwanted odour (although not sure the same can be said about clothes drying on the radiator's office, but that's the same regardless of whether you wash or not).
    I then realised that the need to shower is more a habit than anything. Skin is a lot healthier, virtually got rid of itching, which was quite common after using body wash products.

    There is no side effect that I can see (or other can smell) so I don't see the need to go back to a daily shower. The 100 km rule is a rule of thumb... might be less if it's hot in summer.

    Some people smell more than others, so it doesn't work for all... it works for me
    I don't have a shower at work. I shower before and after work.

    But then, I do work in an open plan space at the moment. When that changes in a couple of months I plan on going feral like Ugo.

    You won't regret it... the more you wash, the more you stink if you don't... it's a question of which bacteria populate your skin. If you keep killing them with body wash, there is a high risk your skin gets colonised by harmful bacteria, with all sorts of nasty consequences (including fungal infections).
    If you really need to wash to remove the salty sweat, use just water, we didn't evolve to use soaps
    In this post you appear to be implying that very thing.

    But it's not what I meant.. what I meant is that if you wipe out your natural bacterial flora, you are susceptible to colonisation from other (nastier) bacteria AS WELL AS fungal infections
    Anyhow isn’t all this washing and bathing lark the fault of your ancestors. They introduced it here and if it wasn’t for them we would be still dyeing our selves blue and spiking our hair with lime.

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