Seemingly trivial things that intrigue you
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They warn about swearing ("extremely strong language from the start") and nobody gets a bee in their bonnet. As long as the trigger warning isn't a plot spoiler, I don't care.
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There is a whole generation that actively seeks out offence these days, so you do need warnings to avoid total meltdown.
At some point people will start wondering how we transitioned from the second world war to 1990, and where are all the audiovisual records from when film and TV was invented.
Then they will start to see their own past cancelled because there's been a change in terminology, and be perplexed because they are perfect so how can this happen?
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I don't see the point in that either ,at least not for film or 'modern' TV where there is a certificate, it's maybe a bit different with the BBC where I was surprised to hear the dreaded 'c' word being used in one of their programmes last night. It does make me wonder how people cope in day-to-day life where that sort of language is rife whether they like it or not though.
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And some people just get offended by the warnings.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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I get offended on behalf of other people, regardless of whether they are offended.
Only the other day I watched something that didn't have a warning about flashing lights, and was offended on behalf of epileptics who didn't know one way or the other if it was safe to watch.
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I’m with this really. If the warning means a programme or film isn’t cancelled from existence then I can live with being told there may be cause for offence, and make my own mind up.
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The complaints are both about moaning that attitudes and language of the past was not at all problematic, and the need for people who don't really like the 21st Century having yet another bogeyman.
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I remember Birth of a Nation being shown on TV back in the 90s. I'm sure that came with a warning or a whole explanatory program or something. Not sure how long the list of "difficulties" with that film would be.
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Flight pricing. On BA's website, the same flight can cost £300 or £1300 depending on when your return flight is. And the return flight can cost £300 or £1300. Or the same flights can be £1000 and $400 if booked as two singles.
Or take a flight to somewhere completely different in another country and then fly back to London on that same flight, and the return leg can be £168. As long as there is a Saturday night between the two.
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I see.
You might call it Munchausen Offence by Proxy.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Is that regarding the Crossroads controversy? Must admit not read it, so probably gone off on a tangent.
It is an intriguing subject tho’ 🤔, is one passing judgement on a programme, or the audience that consumes the programme. For example is Alf Garnett to be understood as:-
a) a racist bigot that treats his wife appallingly
b) a carefully crafted character, designed to be the object of ridicule
c) a character that some viewers can identify with
Answer is could be all of the above, including c) unfortunately ( they probably watch GB news now 😝).
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When given the "thumbs up" by those in category "c", Warren Mitchell always said they were mistaken as it was intended as "b"
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Always felt it was obviously b) (based on watching In Sickness And In Health at the time, I've never seen Til Death Us Do Part).
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Regarding Crossroads, from my vague memories on my nan watching it when I was a kid the most obvious 1970s issue was its attitude to Health & Safety with sets that looked like they might collapse on the actors at any moment.
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I always found Only Fools and Horses to be insulting to cockneys. And to horses.
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Same here, I seem to remember it was on at 4.30 after school, all I can really remember was the theme tune and the closing credits coming in from all directions. I do remember a neighbour running in to tell us that Sandy had been in a car crash and I got upset because I thought she was talking about a corgi called Sandy that lived down the street.
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There was some tweet doing the rounds: some old fart complaining that he didn't even recognise his own country anymore.
I don't remember this amount of bleating from my grandparents generation who had been through the Great Depression, WW2, the development of nuclear power and weapons, space flight, computers, jet flight.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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My Dad says that regularly. He is talking about the colour of the population. Farage is his new hero. Tells you all you need to know.
The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
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I don't recognise the UK as the country I grew up in, in the 60's and 70's. Looking back that's probably a good thing!
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It would be weird if nothing had changed in 60 years.
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Pinnacle Monzonite
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Indeed
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Musical discussions are not my strong point, but here's an opinion.
For a long time each older generation would consider the younger generation's music to be little more than noise. For example, jazz was noise to those bred on classical music. This then continued with the arrival of rock, metal, grunge, electronica etc.
I therefore realised I was officially old when I heard reggaeton.
The thing that intrigues me now is that what the kids listen to (Black Pink, Swift, BTS etc.) definitely sounds like music. It just sounds a bit dull to me. But then, generation Z do seem a bit cautious and less wild.
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I don't think we went straight from classical music to jazz.
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I'm not sure that after all those 'shocking' genres there are many more ways to outrage old people (other than reducing their pensions, obvs).
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Was it piano "noise" like ragtime and sheet music? I'm here to be educated.
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Shall we move this over to the music thread, or do you want to stay intrigued here?
In short, yes, ragtime was the precursor if jazz, when they got bored of four-square rhythms in marches and the suchlike, but the problem with constructing a straight-line 'story of music' is that it misses out nearly all popular musics and things that don't fit nicely into academic thinking.
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No idea, just assuming something happened in between.
Big Band music maybe. Or was that after.
Either way, that's always just been a terrible noise.*
*Except Mambo No. 5
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Thanks. No need to move threads. It was an intriguing aside to my sweeping generalisation about gen Z music.
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