Car Culture hypocrisies
jgsi
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Nice thread doing the round on Twitter
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Driving to work is fine but doing the same on a bike is just recreation.
Drivers killing dozens of pedestrians each years is down to pedestrian inattention but that singular cyclist maiming a pedestrian is pure evil.
A car built to insulate a driver from all external noise and pollution is luxurious but a cyclist wearing headphones is just irresponsible.
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Driving to work is fine but doing the same on a bike is just recreation.
Drivers killing dozens of pedestrians each years is down to pedestrian inattention but that singular cyclist maiming a pedestrian is pure evil.
A car built to insulate a driver from all external noise and pollution is luxurious but a cyclist wearing headphones is just irresponsible.
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I actually don't agree with this. Wearing headphones (and listening to something moderately loud) whilst cycling removes an important element of situational awareness. I can generally tell whether there's something behind me (motor vehicle or drafting fairy) between shoulder checks because I can hear it. When driving, I know exactly what's going on behind me because I'm scanning my mirrors more or less continuously, so I don't have the same reliance on being able to hear it.JGSI wrote:A car built to insulate a driver from all external noise and pollution is luxurious but a cyclist wearing headphones is just irresponsiblePannier, 120rpm.0 -
Twitter is full of random sh1t. Who cares...I don't do smileys.
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cooldad wrote:
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I can get abuse for slowing down a car, when it is about to join a queue of other cars, none of whose occupants get shouted at. While I keep moving.0
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I didn't say don't read, I said don't care.
I know it's hard, but do try and keep up.I don't do smileys.
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KingstonGraham wrote:I can get abuse for slowing down a car, when it is about to join a queue of other cars, none of whose occupants get shouted at. While I keep moving.
This one does make me laugh, aggressive rev up, 'punishment' pass to brake behind next car 30 metres away.Superstition sets the whole world in flames; philosophy quenches them.
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I'm sure there are some equivalents out there for bike culture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBFFrsvgu1Y"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
meursault wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:I can get abuse for slowing down a car, when it is about to join a queue of other cars, none of whose occupants get shouted at. While I keep moving.
This one does make me laugh, aggressive rev up, 'punishment' pass to brake behind next car 30 metres away.
It’s particularly fun at this time of the year.0 -
So deaf people shouldn't ride bikes? I know it's not what you said, but it's what you strongly imply.TGOTB wrote:Wearing headphones (and listening to something moderately loud) whilst cycling removes an important element of situational awareness. I can generally tell whether there's something behind me (motor vehicle or drafting fairy) between shoulder checks because I can hear it.
For the record I don't wear headphones for the reasons you give, but it's personal choice.Currently riding a Whyte T130C, X0 drivetrain, Magura Trail brakes converted to mixed wheel size (homebuilt wheels) with 140mm Fox 34 Rhythm and RP23 suspension. 12.2Kg.0 -
That's not what I'm implying at all, but riders with severely impaired hearing would be well advised to investigate other methods of maintaining situational awareness. If it was me, I'd start by investigating mirrors (though the ones that look like dentists' mirrors mounted to a helmet always look like they'd poke your eye out in a crash...)The Rookie wrote:
So deaf people shouldn't ride bikes? I know it's not what you said, but it's what you strongly imply.TGOTB wrote:Wearing headphones (and listening to something moderately loud) whilst cycling removes an important element of situational awareness. I can generally tell whether there's something behind me (motor vehicle or drafting fairy) between shoulder checks because I can hear it.
For the record I don't wear headphones for the reasons you give, but it's personal choice.
Your argument is a bit like saying pedestrians shouldn't have to look where they're going because blind people manage without...Pannier, 120rpm.0 -
Deaf people won't be distracted by loud music. Deaf people will be aware they can't hear things and know to compensate with their other senses.The Rookie wrote:
So deaf people shouldn't ride bikes? I know it's not what you said, but it's what you strongly imply.TGOTB wrote:Wearing headphones (and listening to something moderately loud) whilst cycling removes an important element of situational awareness. I can generally tell whether there's something behind me (motor vehicle or drafting fairy) between shoulder checks because I can hear it.
For the record I don't wear headphones for the reasons you give, but it's personal choice.
People with normal hearing may well be unaware how much they use their hearing for situational awareness and therefore not compensate properly when taking that sense away.0 -
Although not entirely deaf I do have poor hearing (age related) and wear hearing aids. It is not practical to wear them when riding, wind noise is intolerable. However I have awareness of traffic behind from road noise from the tyres. This is at low level and resonates with me. Happily, low profile tyres affected by 'performance' cars are very noisy. HGV's signal their presence with vibration of the road surface.
In summary, although I would prefer to have normal hearing I am not deterred by my deafness. Cold, wind, rain, snow & ice however are different :-('fool'0
