Rock N Roll Super Web Grease ?

Moonbiker

Anyone using it for hubs & BB?

Want to try something to make them last longer & supposedly its better........

Hubs are WH-R501 & BB GXP, both sem loose grease eventually in wet weather esp riding though large puddle/floods etc. (North Wales)

imposter2.0

Problem is more likely to be inadequate bearing seals, rather than any particular kind of grease, tbh. How is this particular grease supposed to be 'better'..?

cycleclinic

Not all greases are equal. But the seals on cheap Shimano wheels are poor. I'm the importer of rock n roll. Its all I use in cup and cone hubs and headsets as it's persistent and keeps the water out for letting longer.

The SRAM gxp BB though is hopeless. I would pick another gxp compatible BB from token or wheels manufacturing.

Moonbiker

Rock'n'Roll SUPER WEB GREASE

For bearings this grease sticks and strings like a triple cheese pizza. It will not migrate away from bearing surfaces.

Iv'e just order some new seals to try for the rear hub for £10 but thought different grease might help also.

cycleclinic

New seals. You cant retro fit new seals to a hub, only the seals made for that hub work and the sealing on lower end Shimano wheels are not that good which is why they are cheap.

imposter2.0

Moonbiker wrote:

Rock'n'Roll SUPER WEB GREASE

For bearings this grease sticks and strings like a triple cheese pizza. It will not migrate away from bearing surfaces.

Iv'e just order some new seals to try for the rear hub for £10 but thought different grease might help also.

The quote from Rock n Roll is long on hyperbole, but short on science. Is there any 'useful' information that doesn't compare it to dairy products??

Vino'sGhost

Lolol

If you want some long lasting grease just get a tub of marine grease. It isn’t going anywhere.

This is the point where people talk about friction losses and pseudo science and marketing crack and I I walk away

Sram bb pish change it, problem sorted. Cheaper Shimano hubs are cheap and you will need to maintain. Like cycle clinic says get a wheelsmfring one sorted.

cycleclinic

It's a persistant grease. You have to use it to know. I won't use anything else in the shop. Marine grease is not the same. This is formulated for bearings and keeps bearing wear to a minimum.

It's different to all the other bearing greases out there. Shimano's bearing grease is probably the next best out there.

I can't tell you what's in it as the manufacturers never this info out. Suffice to say with superweb I never have to use stainless ball. I can use Chrome balls which do not gall like stainless balls do as the grease stops the chrome balls rusting.

That's the other change the op can make. Fit grade 10 chrome balls. These are the best for hubs full stop. A chrome balls is less easily damaged and the rounder and smoother grade 10 spec causes less wear to the bearing surfaces. The super web grease stops the chrome steel rusting.

If your wheels came into my shop for a service that's what I would do. The hub life is extended this way.

cycleclinic

Incidentally my description is different. I don't refer to dairy products.

Matthewfalle

normal moly if it moves
copperslip if it dorsn't
regular maintenance

job jobbed

Matthewfalle

£7 for 108g of rock n roll at merlin.

£3.48 for 500g of moly at amazon.

darkhairedlord

thecycleclinic wrote:

It's a persistant grease. You have to use it to know. I won't use anything else in the shop. Marine grease is not the same. This is formulated for bearings and keeps bearing wear to a minimum.

It's different to all the other bearing greases out there. Shimano's bearing grease is probably the next best out there.

I can't tell you what's in it as the manufacturers never this info out. Suffice to say with superweb I never have to use stainless ball. I can use Chrome balls which do not gall like stainless balls do as the grease stops the chrome balls rusting.

That's the other change the op can make. Fit grade 10 chrome balls. These are the best for hubs full stop. A chrome balls is less easily damaged and the rounder and smoother grade 10 spec causes less wear to the bearing surfaces. The super web grease stops the chrome steel rusting.

If your wheels came into my shop for a service that's what I would do. The hub life is extended this way.

Specifically, grade 10 52100 steel balls.

Vino'sGhost

Cycle clinic says

"As the bicycle rolls along, positive charge build up will bring dirt and dust particles from the road onto the bike. The bike will discharge and do it all over again, bring up more dirt. "

from the description about why rockand roll lube is good........

im struggling to take that seriously

Matthewfalle

https://www.evanscycles.com/speedplay-g ... ISO_Cleats %26 Pedal Spares_Speedplay_No Year_Normal&esvwa=NISO_Cleats %26 Pedal Spares_Speedplay_No Year_Normal&esvwc=UK_Shopping_GEN-M_Components_Cleats %26 Pedal Spares&esvwc=UK_Shopping_GEN-M_Components_Cleats %26 Pedal Spares&esvt=60904-GOUKE5465500&esvq=&esvadt=999999-0-1360898-1&esvcrea=315915660859&esvplace=&esvd=m&esvtg=aud-581519485336:pla-353673447967&esvo=EV200512-NA-NA&esvwm=CPC&esvws=Google&esvwt=&esvaid=50080&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4Krb3vep3wIVSIjVCh133AWvEAQYBCABEgJYovD_BwE

more money for less grease.

must be better.

Matthewfalle

this is the only "persistant grease" i could find in the whole web.

https://www.lawsonproducts.com/Drummond ... DN4380D.lp

is this the same "persistant grease" as rock n roll?
if not please can you explain what a "persistant grease" is and why "you have to use it to know".

thank you very much.

imposter2.0

'Persistent'..?? Milemuncher was persistent - he just kept on coming back again and again and....

Matthewfalle

was he as persistent as rock n roll grease, the favoured grease of the Gods of Persistency and all of those who bow to the altar of Persistence and marketing hyperbole?

imposter2.0

I believe he was even more persistent than Rock n Roll grease - and that ANSI and BSI are now using him as the new benchmarking standard for persistency....

Vino'sGhost

Rock and roll grease made me throw a television out of my hotel window.



Dude

Matthewfalle

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Rock and roll grease made me throw a television out of my hotel window.



Dude

did it move like grease lightning?

Matthewfalle

i think we can file rock n roll grease in the same cupboard as that arm pump thing in po face and the madison turbo kit. oh - and that cyclists sun tan lotion from the summer.

Vino'sGhost

Matthewfalle wrote:

i think we can file rock n roll grease in the same cupboard as that arm pump thing in po face and the madison turbo kit. oh - and that cyclists sun tan lotion from the summer.

I suspect this has become a self filing thread

However I’m in awe of anyone who has to consider the effects of electrical charge build up whilst riding their bike.

darkhairedlord

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

i think we can file rock n roll grease in the same cupboard as that arm pump thing in po face and the madison turbo kit. oh - and that cyclists sun tan lotion from the summer.

I suspect this has become a self filing thread

However I’m in awe of anyone who has to consider the effects of electrical charge build up whilst riding their bike.

This probably explains all the spontaneously combusting cyclist out there. Excessive electrical charge will ignite the grease in the bearings and the summer tanning creme. If only they had stainless steel bolts and superwide yet narrow mudguards...

Matthewfalle

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

i think we can file rock n roll grease in the same cupboard as that arm pump thing in po face and the madison turbo kit. oh - and that cyclists sun tan lotion from the summer.

I suspect this has become a self filing thread

However I’m in awe of anyone who has to consider the effects of electrical charge build up whilst riding their bike.

Do you have a link to this please? I have to read it to improve my knowledge.

Vino'sGhost

Matthewfalle wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

i think we can file rock n roll grease in the same cupboard as that arm pump thing in po face and the madison turbo kit. oh - and that cyclists sun tan lotion from the summer.

I suspect this has become a self filing thread

However I’m in awe of anyone who has to consider the effects of electrical charge build up whilst riding their bike.

Do you have a link to this please? I have to read it to improve my knowledge.

Here you are MF learn all about your bicycle as "a static electricity machine"

https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/collection ... nd-greases

Matthewfalle

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Matthewfalle wrote:

i think we can file rock n roll grease in the same cupboard as that arm pump thing in po face and the madison turbo kit. oh - and that cyclists sun tan lotion from the summer.

I suspect this has become a self filing thread

However I’m in awe of anyone who has to consider the effects of electrical charge build up whilst riding their bike.

Do you have a link to this please? I have to read it to improve my knowledge.

Here you are MF learn all about your bicycle as "a static electricity machine"

https://thecycleclinic.co.uk/collection ... nd-greases

thats brilliant - thank you very much.

i feel elightened.

however, if it is a "static electricity machine" why don't we all get static shocks like you do when you shuffle across a cwrpet and then jump up and touch someone everytime we ride?

darkhairedlord

I always jump up and touch someone when I ride. Wtf have you been doing?

Vino'sGhost

I blame the big girls thread for the touching and the electricity

darkhairedlord

Vino'sGhost wrote:

I blame the big girls thread for the touching and the electricity

theres a grease for that too:

Moonbiker

I have tried marine grease already. its not stringy like pizza topping like the web grease suppose to be :roll:

So the new seals are a waste of ££ & also the special web grease.

Instead I should just spend £500 buy a new crankset & wheeslet with better bearing seals.

May as well just get a whole new bike

Found this thread on yacf. Thoose beardy weirdoes with there carridice bags have a different take:

https://yacf.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=104105.0

Seems my foolish spraying degreaser on cassete/chain to clean them like the linked threads OP did, maybe be contributed to the issue.

(very rarely bother to clean my bike but I have done few times)

cycleclinic

The u.k retailers make no reference to cheese in there descriptions of the super web grease. It is peristant and does keep the water out.

Lets try an speak from experience shall we. I dont think any of of you have actually tried it. the OP asked if any one has tried it. the answer here is only I have of the people that have posted.

On the lubes no mention of static is made by the retailers in the U.K that sell it. Try reading the reviews.

Here are a few. No advertising has been spent with any of these sites either (for the skepitcal amongst you). Unless of course you all think the people who use it are all wrong.

https://roadcyclinguk.com/gear/rock-n-r ... RL4phlX.97
https://cycletechreview.com/2017/access ... ain-lubes/
https://road.cc/content/review/186320-r ... -lubricant
https://road.cc/content/review/178866-r ... -lubricant
https://road.cc/content/review/182054-r ... -lubricant
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/reviews/t ... -lubricant
https://www.sevendaycyclist.com/rock-n- ... chain-lubr
https://road.cc/content/feature/227757- ... s=0&page=2

There is plenty on the web if you care to read it rather than making assumptions.