This wheel is really getting on my nerves

1964johnr
1964johnr Posts: 179
edited December 2018 in Road general
I always do all the mechanical work on my bikes and thanks to the advent of the internet and particularly you tube I can proudly say I have never had to take a bike to a bike shop for work to be done and I have done most things on my bikes. Even when things were technical and difficult I perseveered and prospered, but what seemed like a simple task had me steaming at the weekend. I rescued a dumped bike which I came accross while out on a ride and spent a couple of weekends doing it up and replacing parts which were missing such as a front wheel, bar tape, front brake, rear mech and a whole lot of elbow grease, wire wool and sanding discs getting rid of rust. All parts found in the bike shed, so no cost involved. The last job was to replace the 700 x 23c tyre on the back wheel. Normally a 15 minute job with a couple of tyre leavers if necessary. I tried four different tyres and managed to pinch the tube twice causing punctures while trying to fit a new tyre. I swear that B... wheel is to big for a normal 700 x 23c tyre. Two hours later I ended up using a new tube and putting the old worn tyre back on it because it was the only one that would fit. Am I the only one ever to come accross this or are there others out there. These are the things I tried.
Tyre leavers
Washing up liquid
Swarfega
Hairdryer
Brute force

The bike is a very basic Carrera Vanquish from halfords which does boast double rim walls.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH

Comments

  • Wheelspinner
    Wheelspinner Posts: 6,699
    Probably because the wheel isn't a 700c.

    https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html
    Open One+ BMC TE29 Seven 622SL On One Scandal Cervelo RS
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    *levers*
  • Ericshun
    Ericshun Posts: 34
    Wheelspinner wrote:
    Probably because the wheel isn't a 700c.

    https://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html

    It is a 700c rear wheel according to the website.

    https://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/sto ... reId=10001

    It sounds like the tyres that have been tried so far are just difficult to get over the rim. A bit more perseverance and stronger thumbs are required methinks. Don’t use levers to get the new tyre on if at all possible, as you’ll be asking for an instant tube wrecker puncture.
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    Are the tyres tried wire bead. Used tyres stretch so will be easier to refit.

    I have struggled with wire bead tyres on some rims before. Normally a folding bead tyre is easier. Chasing and gathering the slack is s useful trick and I see shop mechanics not doing this and making life harder for themselves.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • Bumo_b
    Bumo_b Posts: 211
    Also have found cold tyres an absolute bugger to get on, hang on a radiator. No good if you are on the road and carry a folding of course.
  • fenix
    fenix Posts: 5,437
    Some tyre /rim combos are just too tight. I'd get different tyres.

    If you get this on - how are you going to swap a tube in the middle of winter in the countryside ?

    Life is too short for this.
  • timothyw
    timothyw Posts: 2,482
    Even if the bike is specced as having 700c wheels, doesn't mean that the wheels/rims haven't been replaced. I doubt anyone can tell by eye the difference between 622mm and 630mm (the old standard)

    Try one of these - https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/tyres-27-630/

    Although before doing that, you have tried this new tyre on another wheel right? It could also be a very tight tyre.
  • 1964johnr
    1964johnr Posts: 179
    I was the op on this one and happened to be in Halfords today so put my issue to a mechanic. He told me that Carrera Vanquish deep rim wheels are notorious for getting tyres on. He uses non beeded tyres and boiling water to soften them and charges customers five quid. Apparently there are plenty of takers. Np good to me when you get a puncture 20 miles from home.
  • backo
    backo Posts: 167
    Have had similar problem with tubleless mtb rims but discovered the Crank Brothers Speedier Lever.

    problem solved
  • amrushton
    amrushton Posts: 1,312
    the VAR lever is your friend. It pulls the tyre back on (small increments work best). I've never been beaten when using this. Park do an industrial version I think
  • PhilipPirrip
    PhilipPirrip Posts: 616
    amrushton wrote:
    the VAR lever is your friend. It pulls the tyre back on (small increments work best). I've never been beaten when using this. Park do an industrial version I think
    Same here. A long time user of the VAR tool when out on the bike and one of these (http://www.wiggle.co.uk/x-tools-tyre-seating-tool-1/) in the tool box
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    I use my hands. Practice and tough thumbs.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • trek_dan
    trek_dan Posts: 1,366
    Had a set of wire bead MTB tyres that were ridiculous. Used a heat gun and a bit of elbow grease and came straight off.

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