Serena Williams
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That Tempur mattress she's using doesn't seem to be giving her good night's sleep. 
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De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
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there was the female player who got a violation for changing her top (she had a pretty comprehensive sports bra on underneath!!) yet men can sit there topless for as long as they like
kyrios was basically coached by the umpire and then Serena gets a warning for her coach sending messages.
The umpire followed the letter of the law in this case so can't be accused of anything. I think the real question is do men get away with things they shouldn't? but then they bring in most of the money to the game so are probably a little more protected.
This tbh, no one should be allowed to get away with that sort of thing regardless of gender
Pat Cash on commentary seemed to imply that calling the umpire "a thief" isn't verbal abuse. That doesn't seem a very healthy attitude.
Probably was more clear cut before when she called an umpire "Ugly on the inside" and "a loser", or the other time when she threatened to shove a tennis ball down a line judges throat for calling a foot fault.
if - random example - Footballer X came up to MF in the street and called him an effing this and that there is a high chance footballer may receive a bop on the nose.
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De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour
On the other hand, call me old fashioned but, it is entirely possible that MF might receive a bob on the nose for repeated and gratuitous use of hashtags at the end of MFs posts.
Serena doesn't seem to be a pleasant person......
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I haven't seen it but apparently she was quite gracious to her opponent at the end. Getting wound up during a high level game is probably understandable but it really depends on what the rules are specifically
It does also depend on whether the rules are applied consistently. I have never seen it get to a game penalty, but the last two things she got penalised for were definite violations.
Seen men get thrown out of the tournament for being physically violent - that guy at the Queen's club the other year where he kicked a line judge in the leg. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIsT_GPJXaI
I think tennis in general has a problem. The best example of this is the way pundits, WTA etc. have rallied around Serena.
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Naomi Osaka, the umpire, fans of sport being played fairly, people who would prefer their kids didn't think it was the done thing on a tennis court etc.
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Agreed. Apparently the umpire in question has form for being officious and unnecessarily picky in applying the rules. Ranting at him is unlikely to change that.
I was referring to the comments on whether she was a pleasant person.
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Then goes onto call him a "thief" and a "cheat"... massive chip on her shoulder.
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mf agrees that you don't have to be a nice person but he doesn't telling the ref or umpire or whatever to eff off is in the rules.
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour
Why do you insist on referring to yourself in the third person? It makes you look stupid.
mf doesn't unless he is referring to mf. obvs.
#anger
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour
Or alternatively, the umpire is one of the few that is willing to stand up to players whoever they are.
The question that should be being asked by tennis organisations is how would this be treated in other sports? E.g. a cricket player so angry he breaks his bat on the ground in rage and then accuses the umpire of cheating and threatens his job. Or, a footballer given a yellow card for diving who then rips his shirt off in rage whilst accusing the ref.
My view for a long time has been that tennis has a problem.
1. Has a male player ever talked to the umpire in a similar tone, with similar accusations?
2. If so, was the male player punished?
Answer 1, yes, and answer 2, no. She has a point.
Any other answer and she is a player who lost the plot and is now seeking justification.
Whatever the above, the umpire did the right thing in this instance and it should be the norm.
I am not sure. You have no chance.
1. Has a male player ever talked to this umpire in a similar tone, with similar accusations?
2. If so, was the male player punished by this umpire?
The reason for my modification is that accusation of sexism for this instance is levelled at this umpire so you have to specifically look at this umpire's past decisions for similar situations. If he's had similar situation with a male player and he didn't sanction the same way then there needs to be further questions about his reasoning in this and similar cases.
Personally I think umpires and referees should have the final word and should be respected. If you have issues state your case calmly then let it go but raise the issue with the relevant official as a complaint behind closed doors and out of the limelight. It then becomes a situation that warrants a process and gets a final decision. Unlikely to affect the result as much as the initial decision but I firmly believe rules are to be obeyed and umpires are the arbiters of the rules with the final decision within the game you're playing.
IMHO there's too much disrespecting rules and umpires in many sports. I don't think football is any better than tennis neither. It's got more than its own issues to sort out. Like managers abusing referees, players crowding referees in an attempt to influence, diving and many other issues. There's certainly a culture of trying to get away with rule breaking. IMHO video referees should be able to do more / report more to the referee. There's a lot that gets missed by all but those able to see the video of the play.
Once that is settled it should apply across the board.
I am not sure. You have no chance.
A lot of the examples of male players doing 'the same' neglects to mention that.
Perhaps they re just sensible enough to realis where the line is, same as a footballer on a yellow card.
She's also getting a reputation for this. Getting to the point where umpires are expecting it and won't need too much encouragement to start penalising. A bit like Moscon in the tour, or Dylan Hartley in anything for example...
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What about the fact that she is an extremely rich, powerful person - and she was effectively trying to bully the umpire (roared on by the crowd too) to force him to rule her way.
She should have forfeited the match straight away. $17K fine? That's less than one percent of her prize money for that tounament, never mind however many hundreds of millions she has in the bank.
Personally I think the umpire should sue her for defamation - surely calling someone a liar and cheat is exactly that?
It's kind of like a sambo image jumping up and down on her racket with a dummy on the floor nearby. In the background the umpire is asking the blonde opponent to let her win the match.
I doubt naomi osaka sees herself as a blonde. Is that to the racism? I'm surprised they didn't know her opponent wasn't blonde. Is newscorp institutionally racist or do they just have a few idiots making editorial decisions?