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Egan Bernal

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edited July 2018 in Pro race
So Egan Bernal in his first grand tour at 21 can seemingly do what he wants on the last mountain stage at the end of the third week including chasing Landa, Bardet and Zakarin down then doing domestique duties for a the Giro winner and having done all his domestique duties finishes 15th overall

How many Tours is he actually going to win ??

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  • andypandyp Posts: 8,850
    Every few years this happens - remember when Ullrich finished second aged 22, then won the following year? Everyone predicted he'd win 7 or 8 Tours. Similar claims were made about Quintana when he finished second in 2013.

    Bernal clearly has talent but it's not a given that he can translate that talent into the skills required to win a Tour, never mind multiple Tours. Give him the time and room to develop.
  • inseineinseine Posts: 5,785
    He does seem like an incredibly nice and intelligent guy. I’ll becinterested to see how he goes today since he was superb in California, esoeciallyvthe tt.
  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 19,255
    His transformation at Sky is just not normal. I mean he's a Colombian rider for goodness sake.
    He didn't get his first six pro wins in a season and three general classifications until he was twenty.

    Rather:
    Bottom line, he was winning quality races, aged 19 in his first season. Outstanding palmares in 2 years at Androni.
    He excels in stage races and can time trial.
    I'd say he is on course to win several, at least.
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  • milton50milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Unbelievably talented climber but you have to have a decent time trial in you if you are going to dominate GTs in the way Contador or Froome have.

    I'll play devils advocate here and say Tao Geoghegan Hart will end up with more Grand Tour wins.
  • inseineinseine Posts: 5,785
    Milton50 wrote:
    Unbelievably talented climber but you have to have a decent time trial in you if you are going to dominate GTs in the way Contador or Froome have.

    I'll play devils advocate here and say Tao Geoghegan Hart will end up with more Grand Tour wins.

    Would love to see them both at the Tour next year. They were a great double act at California
  • ProssPross Posts: 31,636
    As Andy points out we see riders regularly come along who we think will dominate. However, I do think Bernal looks the real deal and whether you like Sky or not I think they are the one team that will give him time to develop. Some won’t like him being ‘wasted’ in a mountain train but it will help him learn and keep him relatively fresh for a season or two with maybe a crack at the Vuelta first.
  • DeVlaeminckDeVlaeminck Posts: 7,798
    If he's good enough he's old enough, if he can ride the Tour this year I think he could be a leader next year if not at the Tour then at the Vuelta or Giro.
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  • ProssPross Posts: 31,636
    If he's good enough he's old enough, if he can ride the Tour this year I think he could be a leader next year if not at the Tour then at the Vuelta or Giro.

    It comes down to the pressure of leadership though. How many young French (in particular) riders have come along with the talent and looked the next big thing, been thrown in at the deep end after a promising debut and then cracked under the pressure? Bernal looks to have the temperament as well as the talent but whilst the team has a few proven GT riders they may as well blood him a bit. Maybe he can do what Thomas has done and sneak in under the radar. He has potentially a decade at the top ahead of him so taking in slowly makes sense to me.
  • No_Ta_DoctorNo_Ta_Doctor Posts: 11,319
    Brailsford is certainly convinced that Bernal is the future. And while I'm certainly not going to buy everything Brailsford says (I'd probably check for myself if he said the sky was blue) he's on the verge of putting a third rider on the top step at the Champs Elysees in his 9th season as a team manager, so he probably knows what he's talking about. I've not seen how he TTs yet really, I know he's Colombian champ but I'm not sure how much that says. I'm sure Sky will have him out on his TT bike regularly when the time comes for him to make a step up.

    As for My Man™ Tao, he's a wonderful rider, got his head screwed on right and is making steady progress, but he could end up playing Hincapie to Bernal's Armstrong (no doping insinuations intended) if Bernal is as good as he looks like he might be.

    Quintana? I think he's been poorly managed at Movistar. 2016-2017 he raced Tour-Vuelta-Giro-Tour, which was probably a bit much (ask Froome). He also seems to be riding with a team that don't put all their eggs in one basket (not necessarily a bad thing), with riders that have their own ambitions, not to mention being overly interested in the team competition. His support just isn't anywhere near as strong as Sky's. I'm reasonably confident that if he'd ridden for Sky they could have won him more.
    “Road racing was over and the UCI had banned my riding positions on the track, so it was like ‘Jings, crivvens, help ma Boab, what do I do now? I know, I’ll go away and be depressed for 10 years’.”

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  • No_Ta_DoctorNo_Ta_Doctor Posts: 11,319
    Pross wrote:
    If he's good enough he's old enough, if he can ride the Tour this year I think he could be a leader next year if not at the Tour then at the Vuelta or Giro.

    It comes down to the pressure of leadership though. How many young French (in particular) riders have come along with the talent and looked the next big thing, been thrown in at the deep end after a promising debut and then cracked under the pressure? Bernal looks to have the temperament as well as the talent but whilst the team has a few proven GT riders they may as well blood him a bit. Maybe he can do what Thomas has done and sneak in under the radar. He has potentially a decade at the top ahead of him so taking in slowly makes sense to me.

    The French suffer from panache, imo. They'd all rather be Poulidor than Anquetil.
    “Road racing was over and the UCI had banned my riding positions on the track, so it was like ‘Jings, crivvens, help ma Boab, what do I do now? I know, I’ll go away and be depressed for 10 years’.”

    @DrHeadgear

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  • RonBRonB Posts: 3,984
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  • orraloonorraloon Posts: 9,935
    How's Esteban Chaves these days? Time and life will tell how good Bernal will be.
  • inseineinseine Posts: 5,785
    orraloon wrote:
    How's Esteban Chaves these days? Time and life will tell how good Bernal will be.
    The forum would be a lot less interesting if we always discussed how good riders were, rather than how they might be.
  • above_the_cowsabove_the_cows Posts: 11,318
    orraloon wrote:
    How's Esteban Chaves these days?

    Carlos Betancur ate him.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • No_Ta_DoctorNo_Ta_Doctor Posts: 11,319
    orraloon wrote:
    How's Esteban Chaves these days?

    Carlos Betancur ate him.

    What did he have for his main course?
    “Road racing was over and the UCI had banned my riding positions on the track, so it was like ‘Jings, crivvens, help ma Boab, what do I do now? I know, I’ll go away and be depressed for 10 years’.”

    @DrHeadgear

    The Vikings are coming!
  • above_the_cowsabove_the_cows Posts: 11,318
    orraloon wrote:
    How's Esteban Chaves these days?

    Carlos Betancur ate him.

    What did he have for his main course?

    Jan Ullrich.
    Correlation is not causation.
  • No_Ta_DoctorNo_Ta_Doctor Posts: 11,319
    orraloon wrote:
    How's Esteban Chaves these days?

    Carlos Betancur ate him.

    What did he have for his main course?

    Jan Ullrich.

    :shock:

    Young riders with high cheekbones and nice facial structure stop posting on social media in case somebody says they look sweet. Sport Vlaanderen-Baloise rider Milan Menten gets straight down to the gym just so that nobody describes him as wafer thin Menten.
    “Road racing was over and the UCI had banned my riding positions on the track, so it was like ‘Jings, crivvens, help ma Boab, what do I do now? I know, I’ll go away and be depressed for 10 years’.”

    @DrHeadgear

    The Vikings are coming!
  • m.r.m.m.r.m. Posts: 2,601
    So Egan Bernal in his first grand tour at 21 can seemingly do what he wants on the last mountain stage at the end of the third week including chasing Landa, Bardet and Zakarin down then doing domestique duties for a the Giro winner and having done all his domestique duties finishes 15th overall

    How many Tours is he actually going to win ??
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  • DeadCalmDeadCalm Posts: 3,852
    Isn't Sosa (who is a year younger) supposed to be as good a prospect, if not a better one, than Bernal?
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  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 19,255
    DeadCalm wrote:
    Isn't Sosa (who is a year younger) supposed to be as good a prospect, if not a better one, than Bernal?

    Definitely one to watch and of course, with both having been under Savio's wing, have raced much the same race programmes, albeit a year apart.
    I'd say Bernal's results were slightly better up to this point, but it'll be interesting to see how he goes in L'Avenir in a few weeks, as Sosa has been on a hot streak, recently.
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  • DeadCalmDeadCalm Posts: 3,852
    DeadCalm wrote:
    Isn't Sosa (who is a year younger) supposed to be as good a prospect, if not a better one, than Bernal?

    Definitely one to watch and of course, with both having been under Savio's wing, have raced much the same race programmes, albeit a year apart.
    I'd say Bernal's results were slightly better up to this point, but it'll be interesting to see how he goes in L'Avenir in a few weeks, as Sosa has been on a hot streak, recently.
    Does L'Avenir get TV coverage? Given the list of recent winners, it's obviously worth paying more attention to it than I have in the past.
    Team My Man 2022:

    Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet
  • blazing_saddlesblazing_saddles Posts: 19,255
    DeadCalm wrote:
    DeadCalm wrote:
    Isn't Sosa (who is a year younger) supposed to be as good a prospect, if not a better one, than Bernal?

    Definitely one to watch and of course, with both having been under Savio's wing, have raced much the same race programmes, albeit a year apart.
    I'd say Bernal's results were slightly better up to this point, but it'll be interesting to see how he goes in L'Avenir in a few weeks, as Sosa has been on a hot streak, recently.
    Does L'Avenir get TV coverage? Given the list of recent winners, it's obviously worth paying more attention to it than I have in the past.

    Yes.
    Eurosport had it live last year.
    Bernal completely dominated the race.
    "Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.
  • No_Ta_DoctorNo_Ta_Doctor Posts: 11,319
    Jørgen Leth (the filmmaker who made "A Sunday In Hell" and who has commentated very Tour in the last few million years) thinks Bernal won't be allowed to win the Tour as he's not British. But Leth is a bit mad and getting on a bit. :lol:
    “Road racing was over and the UCI had banned my riding positions on the track, so it was like ‘Jings, crivvens, help ma Boab, what do I do now? I know, I’ll go away and be depressed for 10 years’.”

    @DrHeadgear

    The Vikings are coming!
  • DeadCalmDeadCalm Posts: 3,852
    DeadCalm wrote:
    DeadCalm wrote:
    Isn't Sosa (who is a year younger) supposed to be as good a prospect, if not a better one, than Bernal?

    Definitely one to watch and of course, with both having been under Savio's wing, have raced much the same race programmes, albeit a year apart.
    I'd say Bernal's results were slightly better up to this point, but it'll be interesting to see how he goes in L'Avenir in a few weeks, as Sosa has been on a hot streak, recently.
    Does L'Avenir get TV coverage? Given the list of recent winners, it's obviously worth paying more attention to it than I have in the past.

    Yes.
    Eurosport had it live last year.
    Bernal completely dominated the race.
    Awesome. Something to look forward to. Thanks.
    Team My Man 2022:

    Antwan Tolhoek, Sam Oomen, Tom Dumoulin, Thymen Arensman, Remco Evenepoel, Benoît Cosnefroy, Tom Pidcock, Mark Cavendish, Romain Bardet
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