SuperSix 105 upgrade

nick67

Bought my SuperSix new 6 years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it, but am thinking of an upgrade.

I really find the ride and geometry ideal, so do I simply change the group set and wheels or go for a new SuperSix or is there something else I should be looking at?

Any guidance much appreciated

svetty

The Supersix hasn't really changed much so little point getting a new bike (although the later models do have slightly more clearance for wider rims).
I've not ridden a Systemsix but this has the same geometry so you might want to consider one of these if the new bike urge is strong

Matthewfalle

If you really like the frame and forks and the geo etc, etc then I'd just upgrade the components and wheels.

Start looking in the sales/clearances and build up a huge pile of boxes of sweet bits - stem, bars through to wheels then have a massive bike build weekend.

A new chain, cassette, b/b will have the drivetrain feeling like new, cables will make it all snick snick lovely, be well sweet.

Upgrade to Force and it'll be better looking, lighter, winner winner chicken dinner.

Or do all that and buy a new bike anyway - n+1 and all that.

nick67

Thanks for the replies, I'm trying to resist the new bike urge as I very much like the current one so upgrade it is.

Is a budget of £1k realistic or should I look at £1500, I don't want to do something and then think I wish I'd pushed the boat out.

Could someone please suggest wheels, stem, bars and groupset, links would be good.

Would like to think as suggested box collecting and get it all done in one go, perhaps the LBS can do that if difficult

Thanks

Matthewfalle

no need to get a shop to do it - its simple and thats just wasted budget

put bike on turbo trainer on table. take off old bit. bolt on new bit in exactly the same place. anyone who says it is difficult is lying.

Force 22 in the sales
Deda Super Zero stuff is nice - get matching seat post, stem, bars.
Carbonzone/Farsport 50mm carbon tubular wheels with taped on Continental Sprinters.
Some nice bar tape.
Cables inner and outer from the big box at the lbs.

job jobbed

nick67

Thanks, I do have a decent bike stand so that should be OK

Any reason for Force as opposed to Shimano Ultegra R8000 as it's the same price, assume they both don't have an issue with the BB30, no alterations needed.

Matthewfalle

imo its better - lighter, nicer hood shape, better made, functions better - more click and secure shifter. more exclusive as well.

ultegra - imo and i have a couple of bikes with it on as i don't mind it getting trashed - is more disposable, not as nice to use.

but each to their own.

svetty

Ultegra R8000 would be my choice. I have it on a Look and it's functionally the same as DA. Shifts better than SRAM and the brakes are ridiculously good for rim brakes

chatlow

just bought a 2015 super six evo as my winter bike got stolen and it was a good deal - I'm so impressed with it, I could happily upgrade it and use it all year round :-) very light too, especially with the RS81 wheels I have.

+1 for R8000 group.

wotnoshoeseh

^^ R8000 ^^ +1

But then I haven't used the Force, but I do have R8000 and like it a lot.

nick67

OK think it will be the R8000, just need to find some wheels

nick67

Right I have some Borg31 being delivered today and have various items in my basket waiting to confirm if there is anything else needed.

I'm going with this groupset, will I need anything else as I have a BB30?

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/shim ... prod161437

wotnoshoeseh

A word of warning - check that all of the cables and chain are included in the groupset from CRC. I fitted a 105 groupset for a friend that he had bought from CRC and the chain did not have the correct pin for connection, and there were no brake cables and, from memory, no gear outers included in the groupset. Not a biggie really but just to be aware.
Nothing was packaged either in the original Retail packaging either.

You will need a BB conversion to fit the Shimano 24mm. spindle in the BB30 bottom bracket. I have a Felt F4 with BB30 that has a Shimano chainset fitted. It simply uses the nylon adaptors from the likes of FSA, or Wheels Manufacturing as in the link below...

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/s?q=bb30+-+24mm+adaptors&cat=direct

FYI I bought my R8000 groupset from Merlin - all Retail packaged, and everything included.

I'd be interested in your thoughts on the Borg wheels that you are buying too...

nick67

Thanks for that, that is exactly what I needed to know, I was buying from CRC as I have the BC 10% discount.

I'll update about the wheels, I was fortunately able to get them straight away, as I spoke with Malcolm yesterday and he had a pair in a shop locally, instead of the month wait.

Beatmaker

Pics after you've fitted the parts please.

nick67

Unfortunately TNT didn't collect the wheels yesterday so I will have to wait until tomorrow. I will be using GP 4000 II as I have so many new inner tubes.

My CRC basket has the following, would appreciate any comments:

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/shim ... prod161437
52,36t 11-32t 172.5mm

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/roto ... prod130495

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/deda ... -prod84196
40mm

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/deda ... prod133255
120mm

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/sell ... prod167140

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/deda ... prod120964

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/shim ... prod161370

nick67

Right I've placed the order with 3 amendments as follows:

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/bran ... prod118783
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/deda ... prod121097
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/bran ... prod118836

I'm sure there will be things I've got wrong.

Never done a bike fit so this will be interesting when it all arrives.

Might have to binge watch youtube for tips

nick67

Beatmaker wrote:

Pics after you've fitted the parts please.

Right pic of bike with new wheels fitted with GP4000 II, seems to run better than with the old RS10's, thanks Malcolm



I have all the other bits ready, but am suffering from post cognitive dissonance, the bike runs very well with the new wheels and the recent service, will I notice a significant difference by having all the parts fitted. The 105 although 6 years old changes up and down smoothly especially with the month old 11-28 cassette, much better for hill climbing and the brakes have good stopping power.

Do I bite the bullet and have it done or save the money and sort the engine out, maybe stick the £1k towards a holiday.

svetty

I don't think I would have bothered to replace the bars/stem/seatpost/saddle TBH. If you had mentally committed that amount of cash for the bike you could have stuck with the original items and instead bought either Ultegra D12 or mechanical Dura Ace.

If I was going to replace bars/stem/seatpost I'd have probably bought from a mainstream brand and not 'Brand-X'. Just my thoughts...

Matthewfalle

as per my other post on this subject in your "workshop" area thread, the brand x stuff is rubbish. waste of money.

if you are happy with the 105 stick with it, only you know.

as above, re mechanical dura ace like Nibali uses.

viewtopic.php?f=40004&t=13094530

nick67

Thanks for taking the time to reply, I will be sending it all back bar the wheels as I'm very happy with them, book a holiday and enjoy the bike.

Matthewfalle

the best option.

go to the Abruzzo, ride up hills, drink wine, eat salami, laugh and smile.