Lightweight Fernweg VS. Enve SES 7.8

mtbrider123

Hi Guys,

I’m thinking of buying deep and very light tubular wheels. I have a choice between these two. What do you think is better and why?

Thanks

First.Aspect

Mtbrider123 wrote:

Hi Guys,

I’m thinking of buying deep and very light tubular wheels. I have a choice between these two. What do you think is better and why?

Thanks

the enve is probably a more advanced rim profile but jeez get the lightweights it's a no brainer.

joe_totale-2

You may get more success at Weight Weenies with this question.
Those set of wheels are certainly beyond my price range! Also not sure I could ever bother with the hassle of tubulars to save a couple of hundred grams.

sungod

Joe Totale wrote:

You may get more success at Weight Weenies with this question.
Those set of wheels are certainly beyond my price range! Also not sure I could ever bother with the hassle of tubulars to save a couple of hundred grams.

yes, ww is better for this, from memory there are a few posters with them

bear in mind tubs aren't simply about saving weight, the ride is better than clinchers, and they are generally far safer under failure conditions

according to https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/ the the fastest tyre is tubeless, followed by the tub version of the same model tyre (and if you put a tube in the tubeless, i.e. standard clincher, the tub has lowest rolling resistance of all)

that makes tubs lighter, plusher, safer, and faster

i can understand they're not for everyone, but for me a couple of hours every few months is hardly a hassle given the benefits, i've used them for a few years now, no way i'd go back to clinchers

on lw vs. enve...
- the lw wheels will be stronger/stiffer than the enves
- enve probably more advanced aero profile, and far wider, i.e. if you want to run wide tyres it's the enves
- hubs are similar (lw are dts internally)
- the lw is essentially one piece, enve is an assembly of parts, if damage occurs there's more prospect of repairing an enve (though rim damage will still be pretty terminal), lw offer an excellent crash replacement service as an extra

fwiw i'd also consider corima, bora ultra etc.

mtbrider123

sungod wrote:

Joe Totale wrote:

You may get more success at Weight Weenies with this question.
Those set of wheels are certainly beyond my price range! Also not sure I could ever bother with the hassle of tubulars to save a couple of hundred grams.

yes, ww is better for this, from memory there are a few posters with them

bear in mind tubs aren't simply about saving weight, the ride is better than clinchers, and they are generally far safer under failure conditions

according to https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/ the the fastest tyre is tubeless, followed by the tub version of the same model tyre (and if you put a tube in the tubeless, i.e. standard clincher, the tub has lowest rolling resistance of all)

that makes tubs lighter, plusher, safer, and faster

i can understand they're not for everyone, but for me a couple of hours every few months is hardly a hassle given the benefits, i've used them for a few years now, no way i'd go back to clinchers

on lw vs. enve...
- the lw wheels will be stronger/stiffer than the enves
- enve probably more advanced aero profile, and far wider, i.e. if you want to run wide tyres it's the enves
- hubs are similar (lw are dts internally)
- the lw is essentially one piece, enve is an assembly of parts, if damage occurs there's more prospect of repairing an enve (though rim damage will still be pretty terminal), lw offer an excellent crash replacement service as an extra

fwiw i'd also consider corima, bora ultra etc.

Thanks for such a description. I’m going to be using them for racing on flat courses. This is what I’m thinking: Enves are wide and therefore a 25mm will be a very aero combination as rim>tyre in terms of width. Lightweights are 20mm and I will have to run 22mm tubs, so rim<tyre in terms of width. Don’t really know about stiffness or how either of them will perform.

sloppyschleckonds

They'll probably perform similar to a set of cheap box section rims with a faster tyre.

sungod

of course they won't, that's an absurd statement

jgsi

Joe Totale wrote:

You may get more success at Weight Weenies with this question.
Those set of wheels are certainly beyond my price range! Also not sure I could ever bother with the hassle of tubulars to save a couple of hundred grams.

Tubs are no hassle whatsoever... jeez, read all the stressed out threadz about tubeless setups...
Anyways.. if you have that budget, go for the lightweights... havent ENVEs become rather cliched by the trifallump set?

stueys

Having ridden wide rims for a while now, I wouldn’t go back to something narrow.

Wider tyre/less pressure = less rolling resistance, wider u shaped rim = more stability, wider tyre = better handling on the corners.

Enve make great wheels, I’ve a set of 4.5 I love, but you pay a hefty premium for the label, there are some interesting options at a chunk of change less now. LW are LW, you’re paying for the construction which creates stiffness and weight a st level above anyone else, but the aero tech is lagging current trends.

thegreatdivide

Lightweights and side winds are horrendous. They’ve tried to update the design, but it’s just not happening. They’re ‘vintage tech’.

If I was in your position I’d go Enve.

gsk82

I have no knowledge you add other than lightweights are f****** cool.

One of our guides in Bormio a few years ago had lightweights with white spokes

sloppyschleckonds

sungod wrote:

of course they won't, that's an absurd statement

Have you compared a set of Enve 4.5s with Vittoria Corsa tubulars, with a set of DT Swiss R460's with Vittoria Corsa Speed Tubeless?

amrushton

If you bin them in a race can you afford to replace them/insure them? Wheelsmith may be able to build you some Enve but Lightweight? They aren't repairable afaik.