Is the pin between plates at the bottom of RD pulley arm necessary?
ajmitchell
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Hi, on the dura-ace 6800/9000 RD there is a pin at the bottom of the pulley plates/cage (jockey arm) connecting left and right (just below bottom jockey wheel) on the SRAM red 22 there is no pin, just a flap of metal. I notice most aftermarket carbon plates dont have these pins so I am guessing a connecting pin is not strictly required. My reason for asking is that if I install at larger jockey wheel (eg 15t) it snags with this pin. I don't really understand the function of this pin, is it to stop the chain unwrapping from the bottom pulley wheel in some circumstances? Thanks for advice.
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I'm sure they had a good reason for putting it there. If there wasn't they wouldn't have it.0
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I think the pin is there to confuse people about chain routing so it makes a horrible noise when they do it wrong. It may serve some purpose in keeping the chain where it should be, but I don't think it is massively important.0
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Possibly helps keep the chain in place when there's no tension in the RD, like when the rear wheel is off?Cube Reaction GTC Pro 29 for the lumpy stuff
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same function as the tab on sram, it helps stop the chain from coming off under extreme conditionsmy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0
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Veronese68 wrote:I think the pin is there to confuse people about chain routing so it makes a horrible noise when they do it wrong. It may serve some purpose in keeping the chain where it should be, but I don't think it is massively important.
I have 1 where the chain goes over it and another where the chain goes under it :roll:
If the OP is putting a bigger jockey wheel on, he probably needs to check that the new chainline doesn't foul the middle pin either.0 -
If you're the sort of person who thinks that it is worth spending - often serious - money on aftermarket, over-sized jockey wheels then you probably are also likely to try the cage without that pin. Let us know how you get onFFS! Harden up and grow a pair0
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Svetty wrote:If you're the sort of person who thinks that it is worth spending - often serious - money on aftermarket, over-sized jockey wheels then you probably are also likely to try the cage without that pin. Let us know how you get on0
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Isn't that cheaper than a standard jockey wheel ? Where are you sourcing this magic ?0
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Running as I do 10 year old 4500 and 5600 kit I'd have thought that a RD9000 rear mech would be hard to improve on, no? Does it not already have ceramic bearings??
Instinct tells me that sticking in a £4 oversize jockey wheel and removing pins that Shimano presumably deem necessary might be a backward step in several directions.
But it's your bike / money, so do post some pics when you've done it.0 -
a chain getting bounced off could end up causing a lot of damage, rd might end up in the wheel, on a really bad day it could get you killedmy bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny0
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Fenix wrote:Isn't that cheaper than a standard jockey wheel ? Where are you sourcing this magic ?
rather not say yet because they are untested and I don't want to give a recommendation..... but they are very easy to find and have down a lot in price in last few years.0 -
sungod wrote:a chain getting bounced off could end up causing a lot of damage, rd might end up in the wheel, on a really bad day it could get you killed
Yes this is an important point. So you think that pin/link/flap is there as a safety measure? I am inclined to agree but strange that so many aftermarket pulleycages even the most expensive versions do not appear to have this connector. As a little experiment if you push forward on the RD (reducing tension to zero) the chain does not flop onto this connector...so even if the RD lost spring tension it doesnt seem an issue. I am not arguing it has no purpose, I am just struggling to see when it would be effective. Another perspective is to examine the the inner surface of this connector for wear and it doesnt seem to show wear even on an old bike only dirt.....meaning its there for irregular occassions/mishaps?0 -
Fenix wrote:Isn't that cheaper than a standard jockey wheel ? Where are you sourcing this magic ?0
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On cheaper mechs with simple pressed steel side plates these things are tabs bent from one plate or the other. They do not link the 2 plates together so they are nothing to do with the strength or stiffness of the cage, so I can only assume they are there for chain retention. They are definitely not there as an aid to threading a chain through a mech, because they make it a proper pain in the @rse.
Some vintage derailleurs lack them completely, so they may not be functionally crucial, but I'd not risk it myself. Cars of the same vintage had no seatbelts...0 -
I think I'd stay with original kit. Isn't the savings something like 1 watt ?0
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Fenix wrote:I think I'd stay with original kit. Isn't the savings something like 1 watt ?
I was thinking the same myself when I blundered into the Ceramicspeed website via Weightweenies. 1500 Euros for a replacement derailleur cage with 3D printed jockey wheels the size of the London Eye.
WTAF is going on there?? It's more than I spent on either of my bikes and it's not even a complete rear mech.0