Eurovision Song Contest 2018
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I wonder if these same conversations are being had elsewhere in Europe ? Or do we really think we are better than the rest of them ?
It's only a song. I really think most people are voting for the one they like and not remotely bothered about protest votes.
Who holds Englebert Humperdinck up as the pinnacle of music ?
I can see how brexit happened now.0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:Not sure where you get that from. Here are a few facts which suggest otherwise:
http://www.statista.com/topics/3903/music-industry-in-europe
Then you just need to look at how well British artists do round the world. Apart from the US, which country has the sort of music output that the UK has?
Pop songwriting.
Who do you think writes the billboard topping hits for Rhianna, Katy Perry etc?
Clue: middle aged Swedes.0 -
If anyone thinks it is down to the quality of the song or the staging, I refer you again to the 10th placed finalists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5evrVL1rJPA0 -
My only reflection, having watched the whole show, was that the song which was by some margin the worst was the one that won it.
It's fair enough that the nutters that want to vote at home (up to twenty times, apparently) can vote for the shit one, but the fact that it was already in the top quarter from the jury votes was basically ridiculous.
Didn't think the UK one was that bad this year, fairly catchy, although not winning standard - noticeable that the crowd were singing along. Either way had a lot to overcome given most of Europe fairly reasonably thinks we're arseholes.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:
Pop songwriting.
Who do you think writes the billboard topping hits for Rhianna, Katy Perry etc?
Clue: middle aged Swedes.
Got any sources for your claim?"I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Ah more Stevo homework.
There’s a clue in your own link. Google “Scandinavian pop song writing business” and you’ll get plenty of relevant hits.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015 ... c-factory/0 -
Stevo 666 wrote:You missed an important bit.
Something I posted above about taking Eurovision too seriously.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry wrote:
Something I posted above about taking Eurovision too seriously."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
Has he hit a nerve? You seem never to be able to let one of his comments pass with out trying to rebut it.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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rjsterry wrote:Has he hit a nerve? You seem never to be able to let one of his comments pass with out trying to rebut it."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0
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Offended? No, just seeing if you'll bite It obviously bothers you a bit or you wouldn't feel the need to put people right. And nothing wrong with that.1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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I have a passing interest in who writes the songs of all the big pop songs; it’s a much smaller number of people than you first think.
When people complain pop all sounds the same it’s usually because they’re in fact being written by the same bunch of people.
U.K. is a huge music exporter, but, relative to Sweden (and given Sweden’s size vs the U.K.) the U.K. is less influential in mainstream pop. It has much broader influence m, and has an enormous back catalogue which is wonderfully profitable fwiw.
Sweden are the kings of pop writing, really they are.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:I have a passing interest in who writes the songs of all the big pop songs; it’s a much smaller number of people than you first think.
When people complain pop all sounds the same it’s usually because they’re in fact being written by the same bunch of people.
U.K. is a huge music exporter, but, relative to Sweden (and given Sweden’s size vs the U.K.) the U.K. is less influential in mainstream pop. It has much broader influence m, and has an enormous back catalogue which is wonderfully profitable fwiw.
Sweden are the kings of pop writing, really they are."I spent most of my money on birds, booze and fast cars: the rest of it I just squandered." [George Best]0 -
https://pudding.cool/2018/05/similarity/
Tangentially related; someone's gone to the effort of using an algo to work out if pop songs are indeed sounding more and more alike.
There's a decent bit on who's producing the hits.rom 2010-2014, the top ten producers (by number of hits) wrote about 40% of songs that achieved #1 - #5 ranking on the Billboard Hot 100. In the late-80s, the top ten producers were credited with half as many hits, about 19%.
In other words, more songs have been produced by fewer and fewer topline songwriters, who oversee the combinations of all the separately created sounds. Take a less personal production process and execute that process by a shrinking number of people and everything starts to sound more or less the same.
Uptown funk was written by, wait for it, 10 people.
Crazy.0 -
Rick Chasey wrote:https://pudding.cool/2018/05/similarity/
Tangentially related; someone's gone to the effort of using an algo to work out if pop songs are indeed sounding more and more alike.
There's a decent bit on who's producing the hits.
Uptown funk was written by, wait for it, 10 people.
Crazy.
Or depending on your musical tastes, 10 people admitted responsibility.0 -
Wasn't there a period in the late 80s when Stock, Aiken and Waterman were responsible for 25% of UK top 40 hits? Of course more people were buying albums by the Smiths or U2 so the singles chart is not always the best barometer of overall taste or success. These days singer/songwriters like Ed Sheeran, Sam Smith or Adele are responsible for one or two juggernaut albums per year. I'd put them 8n the pop category rather than rock0
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A contributing factor to mainland Europe countries always winning is that you can't vote for the same country from which you're 'phoning your vote. You're all bright in here (I haven't seen Coopster contribute yet) so you can figure out what advantage - say - Austria has over the UK when it comes to voting.
And yes - when you've figured it out - people really do go to such length.Ben
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Search for '4 Chord Song' on Youtube by Axis of Awesome.
It will give a startling insight into how formulaic pop music is. It is remarkably catchy, but that's kinda the point.0 -
Ben6899 wrote:A contributing factor to mainland Europe countries always winning is that Britain isn’t that great and their entries are normally really rubbish
FtfyPostby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0