Giro 2018: Stage 4, CATANIA - CALTAGIRONE 8 May 2018 / Tuesday / 198 km *Spoilers*

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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    Nice by Woods and Yates (infact all the team)
    Any time gaps?
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,029
    Stage results

    1 Tim Wellens (Bel) Lotto-Fix All 5:17:34
    2 Michael Woods (Can) EF Education First-Drapac p/b Cannondale
    3 Enrico Battaglin (Ita) LottoNL-Jumbo
    4 Simon Yates (GBr) Mitchelton-Scott
    5 Davide Formolo (Ita) Bora-Hansgrohe
    6 Roman Kreuziger (Cze) Mitchelton-Scott 0:00:04
    7 Patrick Konrad (Aut) Bora-Hansgrohe
    8 Luis León Sanchez (Spa) Astana Pro Team
    9 Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) Bahrain-Merida
    10 Esteban Chaves (Col) Mitchelton-Scott
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    mididoctors wrote:
    bennet did well.. think i saw froome and SD

    It wasn't Bennet, was it?
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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    edited May 2018
    Blazing Saddles wrote:
    Froome ships more time. Some way back.
    Poels last before the split.
    I thought it was both of them at the back. There may have been big enough gaps further up though, so it still may cost him a bit.

    Edit: On review you were correct.
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  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Froome didn't look that far away from Aru, Pinot, Dumoulin. But I could be wrong.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Froome lost 23 seconds according to sky twitter.*

    *to Wellens
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,029
    CN reports that Sky reports that Froome lost 23s.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    Not good for Froome
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  • dish_dash
    dish_dash Posts: 5,647
    GC top 10

    1 Rohan Dennis (Aus) BMC Racing Team 14:23:08
    2 Tom Dumoulin (Ned) Team Sunweb 0:00:01
    3 Simon Yates (GBr) Mitchelton-Scott 0:00:17
    4 Tim Wellens (Bel) Lotto Fix All 0:00:19
    5 Pello Bilbao (Spa) Astana Pro Team 0:00:25
    6 Maximilian Schachmann (Ger) Quick-Step Floors 0:00:28
    7 Domenico Pozzovivo (Ita) Bahrain-Merida 0:00:28
    8 Thibaut Pinot (Fra) Groupama-FDJ 0:00:34
    9 Patrick Konrad (Aut) Bora-Hansgrohe 0:00:35
    10 Carlos Betancur (Col) Movistar Team 0:00:35
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Froome now 59 seconds down on Dumolin apaz.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    We err, happy he's unlikely to win it now?
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Meanwhile, Pozzovivo continues to do well on terrain that typically doesn't really suit him.
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  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,029
    Any sign of Lopez?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Team Scott look pretty formidable on that showing.
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    edited May 2018
    inseine wrote:
    mididoctors wrote:
    bennet did well.. think i saw froome and SD

    It wasn't Bennet, was it?

    kreuzinger apparently but that cant be right either?
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,029
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    We err, happy he's unlikely to win it now?

    I'm convinced he hasn't arrived on peak form. I'm not convinced it isn't part of a Giro/Tour double strategy.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    We err, happy he's unlikely to win it now?

    I'm convinced he hasn't arrived on peak form. I'm not convinced it isn't part of a Giro/Tour double strategy.
    It's still quite a chunk to loose, in this modern era of GT racing.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Do riders still ride themselves into form?

    I thought modern consensus was if you're unfit going in, you'll go deeper than if you're in form going in??
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  • mididoctors
    mididoctors Posts: 18,912
    battaglin
    "If I was a 38 year old man, I definitely wouldn't be riding a bright yellow bike with Hello Kitty disc wheels, put it that way. What we're witnessing here is the world's most high profile mid-life crisis" Afx237vi Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:43 pm
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,029
    inseine wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    We err, happy he's unlikely to win it now?

    I'm convinced he hasn't arrived on peak form. I'm not convinced it isn't part of a Giro/Tour double strategy.
    It's still quite a chunk to loose, in this modern era of GT racing.

    Sure, but I think he would rather win the tour than the giro, so should be expected to not be at 100%. Alternatively he is missing his inhaler or his foot hurts.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    The real question is on which stage can he abandon and not have the organisers feel he took the p!ss.

    I don't think riding out the full 3 weeks without a win to tilt at would be worth the risk to the Tour.
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  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Do riders still ride themselves into form?

    I thought modern consensus was if you're unfit going in, you'll go deeper than if you're in form going in??

    The general consensus is that last year he went into the Tour undercooked to allow him to keep form for the Vuelta. He might have done the same here, though it's a bigger gamble, IMHO.

    It's so early in the race to write him off though, even if he's got some ground to make up.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
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    It's so early in the race to write him off though, even if he's got some ground to make up.

    I've absolutely written him off.

    He's lost 40 and 20 secs on terrain you would expect him to lose none.
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  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
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    It's so early in the race to write him off though, even if he's got some ground to make up.

    I've absolutely written him off.

    He's lost 40 and 20 secs on terrain you would expect him to lose none.
    I tend to agree. He's still second favourite according to the bookies though. If Froome is truly done, there ought to be good value bets down the field. Who should be at lower odds than they are now?
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    DeadCalm wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
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    It's so early in the race to write him off though, even if he's got some ground to make up.

    I've absolutely written him off.

    He's lost 40 and 20 secs on terrain you would expect him to lose none.
    I tend to agree. He's still second favourite according to the bookies though. If Froome is truly done, there ought to be good value bets down the field. Who should be at lower odds than they are now?
    Meh, be warey of cycling betting odds.

    It's a very thin market.
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  • norvernrob
    norvernrob Posts: 1,448
    Did Froome just drop back or get caught behind the crashes and chase back? It was hard to tell what was going on with the narrow twisty roads.
  • DeadCalm
    DeadCalm Posts: 4,249
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    DeadCalm wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    Salsiccia1 wrote:
    [

    It's so early in the race to write him off though, even if he's got some ground to make up.

    I've absolutely written him off.

    He's lost 40 and 20 secs on terrain you would expect him to lose none.
    I tend to agree. He's still second favourite according to the bookies though. If Froome is truly done, there ought to be good value bets down the field. Who should be at lower odds than they are now?
    Meh, be warey of cycling betting odds.

    It's a very thin market.
    Indeed, which is why there are occasional ridiculous bets on offer. I've never forgiven myself for failing to take the 500/1 on Hesjedal for the 2012 Giro.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    Are the official results in yet? Sky Twitter saying 22 seconds back from Wellens, but no indication that he lost time on Dumoulin.
  • milton50
    milton50 Posts: 3,856
    Wouldn't be surprised if Froome has come into the start of the Giro undercooked. Especially if he has the Giro-Tour double in mind. In previous years he hasn't used the Dauphine in the same way that other Tour riders did.

    That said he is due an illness/injury so I also wouldn't be surprised if he leaves the race at some point.
  • The_Boy
    The_Boy Posts: 3,099
    phreak wrote:
    Are the official results in yet? Sky Twitter saying 22 seconds back from Wellens, but no indication that he lost time on Dumoulin.

    They had the top 10 on GC on screen during coverage. Dumoulin came in with the main group.@ 4s. So 18s ahead of froome.
    Team My Man 2018: David gaudu, Pierre Latour, Romain Bardet, Thibaut pinot, Alexandre Geniez, Florian Senechal, Warren Barguil, Benoit Cosnefroy

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