Token Zenith Ventous or Reynolds Assault

papajimbo

I’ve got pacenti rims built on Tune hubs and wondered if there would be any benefit in moving to more aero carbon rims for mixed purpose riding - I.e Mallorca 312 Gran Fondo, local evening 10s and club runs. I’ve got an eye on Token Zenith Ventous but the deals on Reynolds Assault look good. Anyone ridden both and have a view on the quality/weight/rim height difference? Btw I’ve got 25mm tyres on all wheels and ITK recommends using 23mm on the Reynolds.

sloppyschleckonds

papajimbo wrote:

ITK recommends using 23mm on the Reynolds.

ITK doesn't know his ar$e from his elbow

The Tokens would have to be extremely good wheels to be better than the Assaults. Wide rimmed, not too deep to be affected too much by the wind, tubeless with some type of enhanced braking track.

papajimbo

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

papajimbo wrote:

ITK recommends using 23mm on the Reynolds.

ITK doesn't know his ar$e from his elbow

The Tokens would have to be extremely good wheels to be better than the Assaults. Wide rimmed, not too deep to be affected too much by the wind, tubeless with some type of enhanced braking track.

Would you go for the Assaults over Firecrest 202 and 303?

LeeDa

My experiences with the Reynolds - both the Assault (the older slimmer rim version ) and Strike (SLG tubeless ready). Both were very stiff (I'm 67k'ish) and reasonably light, good braking with the Cryo pads. The only slight negative I found was they were a little bone shaking on rough roads but clearly not the best wheel for crap roads. It's an assumption but I would think the Zipps are a little more forgiving but a little flexier (so I hear repeatedly). Maybe Zipp have solved that.

For the cost, it's Reynolds for me. However I couldn't mount 23mm Schwalbe One's to the Strike SLG. The tyre just twisted up. 25's were the better fit though still pretty tough to mount. I think the tubeless ready rim bead contributed to that. Possibly the Assault tubeless ready rims are similar in this respect.

papajimbo

LeeDa wrote:

My experiences with the Reynolds - both the Assault (the older slimmer rim version ) and Strike (SLG tubeless ready). Both were very stiff (I'm 67k'ish) and reasonably light, good braking with the Cryo pads. The only slight negative I found was they were a little bone shaking on rough roads but clearly not the best wheel for crap roads. It's an assumption but I would think the Zipps are a little more forgiving but a little flexier (so I hear repeatedly). Maybe Zipp have solved that.

For the cost, it's Reynolds for me. However I couldn't mount 23mm Schwalbe One's to the Strike SLG. The tyre just twisted up. 25's were the better fit though still pretty tough to mount. I think the tubeless ready rim bead contributed to that. Possibly the Assault tubeless ready rims are similar in this respect.

Thanks for the feedback. The tyre mounting issue is a bug bear of mine so that’s good to know. Either way this type purchase is an expensive one so I don’t want to be looking to get something better at a later stage, at least until I’ve worn wahetever set I get now out. The Reynolds offer excellent value, I’d agree, but I’m keen to go for the best quality I can ‘afford ‘ without spending circa £2k.

sloppyschleckonds

papajimbo wrote:

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

papajimbo wrote:

ITK recommends using 23mm on the Reynolds.

ITK doesn't know his ar$e from his elbow

The Tokens would have to be extremely good wheels to be better than the Assaults. Wide rimmed, not too deep to be affected too much by the wind, tubeless with some type of enhanced braking track.

Would you go for the Assaults over Firecrest 202 and 303?

I can only compare to Enve 4.5's and Enve 45's I have.

LeeDa

papajimbo wrote:

LeeDa wrote:

My experiences with the Reynolds - both the Assault (the older slimmer rim version ) and Strike (SLG tubeless ready). Both were very stiff (I'm 67k'ish) and reasonably light, good braking with the Cryo pads. The only slight negative I found was they were a little bone shaking on rough roads but clearly not the best wheel for crap roads. It's an assumption but I would think the Zipps are a little more forgiving but a little flexier (so I hear repeatedly). Maybe Zipp have solved that.

For the cost, it's Reynolds for me. However I couldn't mount 23mm Schwalbe One's to the Strike SLG. The tyre just twisted up. 25's were the better fit though still pretty tough to mount. I think the tubeless ready rim bead contributed to that. Possibly the Assault tubeless ready rims are similar in this respect.

Thanks for the feedback. The tyre mounting issue is a bug bear of mine so that’s good to know. Either way this type purchase is an expensive one so I don’t want to be looking to get something better at a later stage, at least until I’ve worn wahetever set I get now out. The Reynolds offer excellent value, I’d agree, but I’m keen to go for the best quality I can ‘afford ‘ without spending circa £2k.

I had my Reynolds Assault upgraded free of charge due to a spoke issue. The 46's that replaced them were more forgiving, better hubs, if I remember correctly Swiss DT. They were the old version though as it was just before the SLG's came out. Anyway there was noticeable difference on rough roads. Check those out. Not sure how much enve rims are but built on chris king hubs but they'd be pretty bling and should be maintainable.