VALVERDE

Vino'sGhost

KingstonGraham wrote:

If it turned out Valverde was still doping, would it affect your opinion of him?

Cycling is more than physical strength so whilst i would be disappointed i wouldn't be particularly surprised .

Fortunately Cycling is so much more than FTP and Power to weight.

dave milne

I used to dislike him intensely. both over puerto but also his horrible negative style of racing where he would never work with anyone in a small group. However in the last few years starting with that brilliant win in Roma Maxima or whatever it was called he seemed to just get more aggressive and entertaining which added to his obvious ability has won me over. I'd never cheer him for the win but I don't hate him winning anymore either

Vino'sGhost

tim000 wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

If it turned out Valverde was still doping, would it affect your opinion of him?

try , If it turned out Valverde was riding for sky would it affect your opinion of him?

LOL no, i dont have a downer on people that ride for sky, in fact far from it GT and Luke Rowe are 2 of my favourite riders. Luke Rowe especially and i hope he returns even stronger.

blazing_saddles

Vino'sGhost wrote:

I'm less intersted in if theyve cheated or not depending on the amount of noise announcing someone is innocent. Especially in the face of pretty damming circumstances.

EG Valverde had a bag of blood = Bad but not too bothered more dissapointed.

Wiggins TUE and jiffy bags +loads of hes innocent because he hasnt been found guilty = BAD but would like him to be busted mostly on the stregth of his supporters screams of innocence. And lets face it, the case against him was dropped because the "lost laptop and poor record keeping" meant that UKAD was frustrated. Obviously it helped that his doctor was too poorly on the day of his hearing to give evidence.

More importantly the way Valverde races is class and very enjoyable to watch.

See, now this is what I mean.
Utterly meaningless and inaccurate justification for having a selective pop at certain riders, while lauding others.

As I recall, Piti was pretty bothered about it.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverd ... in-puerto/

Oh look, talking of delays in getting a decision on sanctions.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-fr ... cas-cases/

As for losing his results...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverd ... s-results/

Well, since he very fortunately kept his results, I guess he must have taking the decision on the chin. Oh, wait....

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverd ... uspension/

So, lets just cut out the hypocrisy, eh?

Vino'sGhost

Actually I should add that Froome has grown on me in the last couple of years i like hes got an aggressive edge although I dont think hes asthetically pleasing as contador or valverde.

Vino'sGhost

Blazing Saddles wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

I'm less intersted in if theyve cheated or not depending on the amount of noise announcing someone is innocent. Especially in the face of pretty damming circumstances.

EG Valverde had a bag of blood = Bad but not too bothered more dissapointed.

Wiggins TUE and jiffy bags +loads of hes innocent because he hasnt been found guilty = BAD but would like him to be busted mostly on the stregth of his supporters screams of innocence. And lets face it, the case against him was dropped because the "lost laptop and poor record keeping" meant that UKAD was frustrated. Obviously it helped that his doctor was too poorly on the day of his hearing to give evidence.

More importantly the way Valverde races is class and very enjoyable to watch.

See, now this is what I mean.
Utterly meaningless and inaccurate justification for having a selective pop at certain riders, while lauding others.

As I recall, Piti was pretty bothered about it.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverd ... in-puerto/

Oh look, talking of delays in getting a decision on sanctions.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-fr ... cas-cases/

As for losing his results...

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverd ... s-results/

Well, since he very fortunately kept his results, I guess he must have taking the decision on the chin. Oh, wait....

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/valverd ... uspension/

So, lets just cut out the hypocrisy, eh?

No i meant Im not too bothered. At the time I wished hed just get on with his punishment and cut the charade bull. I seem to remember this forum being mostly in favour of hanging him out to dry on much less evidence than we have re froome currently. Thats where the hypocrisy lies.

dish_dash

Vino, if you're gonna go down this path you may as well post some photos as well... you know to keep these threads aesthetically pleasing and all that.

Vino'sGhost

dish_dash wrote:

Vino, if you're gonna go down this path you may as well post some photos as well... you know to keep these threads aesthetically pleasing and all that.

Marvellous idea! in partial homage of French fighter

TheBigBean

KingstonGraham wrote:

If it turned out Valverde was still doping, would it affect your opinion of him?

It would depend how that compares to his peers for me.

m.r.m.

Joelsim wrote:

He’s one of the all-time greats.

And his racecraft is bettered by no one.

Completely agree, but while Kwiatkowski lacks his consistency (as does absolutely everyone else in the world), his race craft is on par with Valverde for me. During the last Tour Kwiatkowski immediately grew into the role of even giving Froome instructions on when to push despite Froome having more high end GT experience.

joelsim

M.R.M. wrote:

Joelsim wrote:

He’s one of the all-time greats.

And his racecraft is bettered by no one.

Completely agree, but while Kwiatkowski lacks his consistency (as does absolutely everyone else in the world), his race craft is on par with Valverde for me. During the last Tour Kwiatkowski immediately grew into the role of even giving Froome instructions on when to push despite Froome having more high end GT experience.

Kwiato will probably stop racing before Valverde.

m.r.m.

Hahahaha Hat!

Crozza

dave milne wrote:

I used to dislike him intensely. both over puerto but also his horrible negative style of racing where he would never work with anyone in a small group. However in the last few years starting with that brilliant win in Roma Maxima or whatever it was called he seemed to just get more aggressive and entertaining which added to his obvious ability has won me over. I'd never cheer him for the win but I don't hate him winning anymore either

feel the same

as soon as he takes his helmet off the hate does start to creep back in though or is it piti

Vino'sGhost

Goos showing today at Strave Bianchi

shipley

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Actually I should add that Froome has grown on me in the last couple of years i like hes got an aggressive edge although I dont think hes asthetically pleasing as contador or valverde.

Wow that’s the understatement of the year

Vino'sGhost

Shipley wrote:

Vino'sGhost wrote:

Actually I should add that Froome has grown on me in the last couple of years i like hes got an aggressive edge although I dont think hes asthetically pleasing as contador or valverde.

Wow that’s the understatement of the year

I was trying to be kind

timoid.

Contador was never particularly good to look at on a bike. Not awful. Just ok.

Valverde is poetry in motion.

Froome is worst thing on a bike since Escartin.

lostboysaint

Vino'sGhost wrote:

argyllflyer wrote:

I do find it amusing the way you celebrate convicted dopers yet are restless in pursuit of others yet to be convicted of anything. As someone only a year or two older yet showing signs of slowing on my own bike, Valverde's ability to get better with age leaves me envious.

I enjoy watching valverde because he's class, he's a winner and he looks good. If i didnt enjoy watching dopers I wouldnt watch professional sport.

And yet you can't shut the f**k up about one in particular.

pinno

Timoid. wrote:

Froome is worst thing on a bike since Charly Mottet.

FTFY.

He'll be 38 on the 25th of April and he's still winning.
(Stage in the Volta a la Comunitat Valenciana).

timoid.

Pinno wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

Froome is worst thing on a bike since Charly Mottet.

FTFY.

He'll be 38 on the 25th of April and he's still winning.
(Stage in the Volta a la Comunitat Valenciana).

How dare you! Mottet is untouchable. He can ride however he likes.

pinno

Timoid. wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

Froome is worst thing on a bike since Charly Mottet.

FTFY.

He'll be 38 on the 25th of April and he's still winning.
(Stage in the Volta a la Comunitat Valenciana).

How dare you! Mottet is untouchable. He can ride however he likes.

What?! Funny how the French used to refer to le rost biffs (on bicycles) as 'frogs on matchboxes' and yet they had Charly Motter.

timoid.

Pinno wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

Froome is worst thing on a bike since Charly Mottet.

FTFY.

He'll be 38 on the 25th of April and he's still winning.
(Stage in the Volta a la Comunitat Valenciana).

How dare you! Mottet is untouchable. He can ride however he likes.

What?! Funny how the French used to refer to le rost biffs (on bicycles) as 'frogs on matchboxes' and yet they had Charly Motter.

You have no soul

pinno

Timoid. wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

Pinno wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

Froome is worst thing on a bike since Charly Mottet.

FTFY.

He'll be 38 on the 25th of April and he's still winning.
(Stage in the Volta a la Comunitat Valenciana).

How dare you! Mottet is untouchable. He can ride however he likes.

What?! Funny how the French used to refer to le rost biffs (on bicycles) as 'frogs on matchboxes' and yet they had Charly Motter.

You have no soul

Perhaps. However, you are assuming that I don't/didn't respect Monsiuer Mottet.