11 speed compatibility

shiznit76

Hi, someone said that can run a wheel on shimano 11 speed cassette with campagnolo groupset no problems, the 11 speed groupset are compatible, is this correct

drlodge

Yes they are. The 11 speed cassettes of Shimano and Campagnolo have the same sprocket spacings and overall widths, so you can swap a Shimano wheel/freehub/11sp cassette with a Campagnolo wheel/freehub/11 speed cassette. Rest of the bike can be Shimano or Campag 11 speed, it doesn't matter.

The rear derailleur may need to be tweaked slightly due to wheel/freehub off set i.e. cable length.

milemuncher1

Yep, you can’t run a Campagnolo cassette on a Shimano freehub though.

milemuncher1

Yep, you can’t run a Campagnolo cassette on a Shimano freehub though.

milemuncher1

Yep, you can’t run a Campagnolo cassette on a Shimano freehub though.

drlodge

Indeed (3 times), that's why I bundled wheel/freehub/11 speed cassette as all 3 of these need to be the same manufacturer.

More here http://fitwerx.com/campagnolo-shimano-a ... patiblity/

milemuncher1

drlodge wrote:

Indeed (3 times), that's why I bundled wheel/freehub/11 speed cassette as all 3 of these need to be the same manufacturer.

More here http://fitwerx.com/campagnolo-shimano-a ... patiblity/

I’ve no idea what happened with the triple post there

shiznit76

drlodge wrote:

Indeed (3 times), that's why I bundled wheel/freehub/11 speed cassette as all 3 of these need to be the same manufacturer.

More here http://fitwerx.com/campagnolo-shimano-a ... patiblity/

Cheers. Yeah knew about cassette/freehub part, good to know I can run my shimano wheels on a campag set up,

trivial_poursuivant

Though I found Campagnolo chains and Shimano cassettes 11sp don’t always get along. Can be jumpy on the 11/12 cogs chain slips

StillGoing

There is a company that makes Campag spaced cassette to fit on Shimano free hubs.

shiznit76

philthy3 wrote:

There is a company that makes Campag spaced cassette to fit on Shimano free hubs.

Bit pricey?

philbar72

shiznit76 wrote:

philthy3 wrote:

There is a company that makes Campag spaced cassette to fit on Shimano free hubs.

Bit pricey?

and virtually pointless.

Miche do something right?

StillGoing

philbar72 wrote:

shiznit76 wrote:

philthy3 wrote:

There is a company that makes Campag spaced cassette to fit on Shimano free hubs.

Bit pricey?

and virtually pointless.

Miche do something right?

Not really no. It may be that 11 speed has seen the spacing between Shimano/SRAM and Campag cassettes now be the same. A 10 speed Veloce set up someone has wouldn't work with a 10 speed Shimano cassette. Rather than fork out for a change of wheels, the cost of the Ambrosio cassette was a cheap option. Shifting then worked as normal.

Matthewfalle

philthy3 wrote:

philbar72 wrote:

shiznit76 wrote:

philthy3 wrote:

There is a company that makes Campag spaced cassette to fit on Shimano free hubs.

Bit pricey?

and virtually pointless.

Miche do something right?

Not really no. It may be that 11 speed has seen the spacing between Shimano/SRAM and Campag cassettes now be the same. A 10 speed Veloce set up someone has wouldn't work with a 10 speed Shimano cassette. Rather than fork out for a change of wheels, the cost of the Ambrosio cassette was a cheap option. Shifting then worked as normal.

I use an Ambrosio Shimano splined Campag spaced 10 speed cassette on Dirk - no problems at all and saved a world of heart ache trying to find a spaced Spinergy wheel.

gfk_velo

Old thread, I know.
Stumbled across it when googling something unconnected.

No, they are not directly compatible (apart from considerations around spline pattern).

11s cassettes starting on a 12 sprocket are the same width but Campagnolo sprocket spacings vary across the width, Shimano don't. Indexing in the middle of the cassette, especially, is not as good as it should be. Additionally, there is a small differential spacing 12->13 which preloads the cable making it impossible to dial in really accurately. Some people are happy with the slightly ropy shifting you can acheive, some aren't.

11s cassettes starting on an 11 sprocket, the Campagnolo cassette is approx 0.3mm wider and the extra width is across the smallest 2 sprockets, i.e. where the gear cable tension is being initially set so the shifting is generally not all that satisfactory. Inter-sprocket spacings further up the cassette also vary slightly.

Although on the Centaur 11 entry-level cassettes, the spacers are all 2.2mm (built-in spacers on the 1st 2 sprockets), the spacing changes are managed by machining the teeth "off centre" on the gauge of the sprocket.

MattFalle

11 speed are compatible.

end of.

pblakeney

gfk_velo said:

...11s cassettes starting on an 11 sprocket, the Campagnolo cassette is approx 0.3mm wider and the extra width is across the smallest 2 sprockets, i.e. where the gear cable tension is being initially set so the shifting is generally not all that satisfactory. Inter-sprocket spacings further up the cassette also vary slightly...

Incorrect. Campagnolo instructions are for the cable to be set on the 5th smallest sprocket.
All my road bikes are Campagnolo 11 speed and my trainer has a Shimano 11 speed cassette. Zero issues.