Plastic Mountain

slowbike

laurentian wrote:

Also, I get my milk from the milkman, delivered to the door with the packaging recycled hundreds of times and money collected from me, in my house, once a month - why anyone would swap that convenience for a trip to the shops a couple of times a week beats me.

Because, currently, at the time they deliver around us, in the summer it'll be off and in the winter it'll be frozen because we're usually out the house before they come.

rjsterry

laurentian wrote:

To me, and I worked in the food industry for 20 years, the answer seems quite simple. There should be a timeframe enshrined in legislation at the end of which, no food (possibly all consumable) items can be packaged in anything that isn't easily recyclable. The "ease of recycling" being dictated by the recyclers and the aim being to make a very simple "bin system" at the end user's end consisting of three or four colour coded bins backed up with waste audits to check that end users are fulfilling their recycling obligations with fines for non-conformance.

The time frame is very important and should not be open ended - I would anticipate that during this time the situation would only get better.

The only equivalent thing I can think of is the charge on plastic bags which has massively reduced their use and I can't remember the last time I saw one in a hedge.

Also, I get my milk from the milkman, delivered to the door with the packaging recycled hundreds of times and money collected from me, in my house, once a month - why anyone would swap that convenience for a trip to the shops a couple of times a week beats me.

What, like on-line shopping? Agree with the first bit. The carrier bag change shows that it's actually not that hard, despite the counsel of despair from some.

ballysmate

Tangled Metal wrote:

Late to the thread but here's my view on a few of the issues.

Supermarkets produce too much packaging. We don't need it. If more ppl opened packaged fruit and veg at the checkout and handed it back for the supermarket to deal with it would stop. You have the right to do this you know and I've seen it done just once.

You sure about this? At which point do you have such a right? Prior to payment, the product is not your property and that being the case you do not have the right to damage the product or its packaging.
Post payment, the product and packaging are yours and as such disposal of any part of it is your responsibility surely?

ballysmate

Regarding plastic packaging in supermarkets, lonnnnnng ago when stores had proper butchery departments cutting and packing meat, there was a very short shelf life on products. Beef mince for instance had a shelf life of 1 day before it started to turn brown and got binned. Other cuts got 2 days before being removed to reappear in a different guise.
Packaging has certainly extended shelf life.

DeVlaeminck

laurentian wrote:

Also, I get my milk from the milkman, delivered to the door with the packaging recycled hundreds of times and money collected from me, in my house, once a month - why anyone would swap that convenience for a trip to the shops a couple of times a week beats me.

Because it's cheaper and given I'm going shopping anyway it's less faff.

ballysmate

DeVlaeminck wrote:

laurentian wrote:

Also, I get my milk from the milkman, delivered to the door with the packaging recycled hundreds of times and money collected from me, in my house, once a month - why anyone would swap that convenience for a trip to the shops a couple of times a week beats me.

Because it's cheaper and given I'm going shopping anyway it's less faff.

It's also cool and fresh having not sat in the sun all day because the milkman delivers after you've left for work.

crumbschief

Ballysmate wrote:

DeVlaeminck wrote:

laurentian wrote:

Also, I get my milk from the milkman, delivered to the door with the packaging recycled hundreds of times and money collected from me, in my house, once a month - why anyone would swap that convenience for a trip to the shops a couple of times a week beats me.

Because it's cheaper and given I'm going shopping anyway it's less faff.

It's also cool and fresh having not sat in the sun all day because the milkman delivers after you've left for work.

Nice cold ice cold milk,that also made me think of having milk that came in a blue crate at primary school with the little red straws,not had that memory for a long time.

rjsterry

crumbschief wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

DeVlaeminck wrote:

laurentian wrote:

Also, I get my milk from the milkman, delivered to the door with the packaging recycled hundreds of times and money collected from me, in my house, once a month - why anyone would swap that convenience for a trip to the shops a couple of times a week beats me.

Because it's cheaper and given I'm going shopping anyway it's less faff.

It's also cool and fresh having not sat in the sun all day because the milkman delivers after you've left for work.

Nice cold ice cold milk,that also made me think of having milk that came in a blue crate at primary school with the little red straws,not had that memory for a long time.

School milk was never cold, though.

earth

Ballysmate wrote:

Regarding plastic packaging in supermarkets, lonnnnnng ago when stores had proper butchery departments cutting and packing meat, there was a very short shelf life on products. Beef mince for instance had a shelf life of 1 day before it started to turn brown and got binned. Other cuts got 2 days before being removed to reappear in a different guise.
Packaging has certainly extended shelf life.

Sounds like it has. But for some items it's just not necessary. I can buy loose fruit and veg at the supermarket but they insist on providing plastic bags to put it in when a brown paper bag would do just fine and would go onto my compost heap after use.

BelgianBeerGeek

Just want to be a bit controversial: who cares? I am a good citizen, and do my recycling as ordered by the local council. But only plastic that is "bottle shaped" may go in that bin. I disagree, and like Pinno, look at the triangle and bin accordingly. Mrs BBGeek will put pizza boxes in the recycler, I wont. And my mum-in-law bins everything, tins and all. She has only put glass out separately in recent years after much patient explaining (no she is not that old or dotty).
And I've seen the lads who collect the recycling bin empty it in into the regular waste because the receclying centre's closed. What a flipping joke.
I do take my empties back to Belgium for the Statiegeld, though. Border forces et al are used to me by now

ballysmate

The 'Rules' regarding what can and can't be put in which bin change whenever the contractor changes. What was once recyclable becomes landfill under a new contractor. Surely not beyond the wit...

crumbschief

rjsterry wrote:

crumbschief wrote:

Ballysmate wrote:

DeVlaeminck wrote:

laurentian wrote:

Also, I get my milk from the milkman, delivered to the door with the packaging recycled hundreds of times and money collected from me, in my house, once a month - why anyone would swap that convenience for a trip to the shops a couple of times a week beats me.

Because it's cheaper and given I'm going shopping anyway it's less faff.

It's also cool and fresh having not sat in the sun all day because the milkman delivers after you've left for work.

Nice cold ice cold milk,that also made me think of having milk that came in a blue crate at primary school with the little red straws,not had that memory for a long time.

School milk was never cold, though.

True,but in Winter they could have just left it outside before serving,oh the 70's.

tangled_metal

Slowbike wrote:

laurentian wrote:

Also, I get my milk from the milkman, delivered to the door with the packaging recycled hundreds of times and money collected from me, in my house, once a month - why anyone would swap that convenience for a trip to the shops a couple of times a week beats me.

Because, currently, at the time they deliver around us, in the summer it'll be off and in the winter it'll be frozen because we're usually out the house before they come.

+1.
As a kid we woke up to milk on the doorstep. Now the milkman in our area delivers them the morning. I'm at work by 8am, my partner is out by 9am. The milkman delivers after that. What is that about? Are modern milkmen too lazy to get up early these days?

pinno

Tangled Metal wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

laurentian wrote:

Also, I get my milk from the milkman, delivered to the door with the packaging recycled hundreds of times and money collected from me, in my house, once a month - why anyone would swap that convenience for a trip to the shops a couple of times a week beats me.

Because, currently, at the time they deliver around us, in the summer it'll be off and in the winter it'll be frozen because we're usually out the house before they come.

+1.
As a kid we woke up to milk on the doorstep. Now the milkman in our area delivers them the morning. I'm at work by 8am, my partner is out by 9am. The milkman delivers after that. What is that about? Are modern milkmen too lazy to get up early these days?

They've gone the way of modern postmen.

crumbschief

Well i'm soon away to cellar a few original Irn Bru ahead o the dark times coming .

pinno

crumbschief wrote:

Well i'm soon away to cellar a few original Irn Bru ahead o the dark times coming .

I do not drink carbonated drinks except in am 'emergency'. For the best part of 12 years, we had a small hopper where all the cans went in. The vast majority of soft drinks here in Jockland is Irn Bru. The effect on the concrete was that the area underneath the hopper where the drips of the 'syrup' formed a puddle was that it was being slowly eaten away to the tune of at least 2" over a 3 to 4 foot square area.
A lot of the minions who worked there would bring a can of 'juice' as they call it here and when I showed them the concrete, no longer would they drink Coca Cola et al.

tangled_metal

Coca cola had a rep for preventing a bug in the water at Holme Pierrepoint whitewater centre near Nottingham from having a nasty effect on paddlers. Killed the bug dead if drunk before and after I believe.

pinno

Tangled Metal wrote:

Coca cola had a rep for preventing a bug in the water at Holme Pierrepoint whitewater centre near Nottingham from having a nasty effect on paddlers. Killed the bug dead if drunk before and after I believe.

Well it was originally marketed as a cold remedy. Irn Bru is an anti skinny drug.

laurentian

Tangled Metal wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

laurentian wrote:

Also, I get my milk from the milkman, delivered to the door with the packaging recycled hundreds of times and money collected from me, in my house, once a month - why anyone would swap that convenience for a trip to the shops a couple of times a week beats me.

Because, currently, at the time they deliver around us, in the summer it'll be off and in the winter it'll be frozen because we're usually out the house before they come.

+1.
As a kid we woke up to milk on the doorstep. Now the milkman in our area delivers them the morning. I'm at work by 8am, my partner is out by 9am. The milkman delivers after that. What is that about? Are modern milkmen too lazy to get up early these days?

Well, I guess I'm lucky - my milk is on the doorstep at about 5.30am . . .

capt_slog

Tangled Metal wrote:

Coca cola had a rep for preventing a bug in the water at Holme Pierrepoint whitewater centre near Nottingham from having a nasty effect on paddlers. Killed the bug dead if drunk before and after I believe.

I've also heard that that is a popular myth amongst surfers. I say myth because when it was explained to a couple of chemistry PhDs, they laughed.

kingstongraham

BelgianBeerGeek wrote:

Mrs BBGeek will put pizza boxes in the recycler, I wont.

Our local guidelines say "If you have cardboard with food residue (eg Pizza boxes) put these in your bin for non-recyclable waste."

tangled_metal

laurentian wrote:

Tangled Metal wrote:

Slowbike wrote:

laurentian wrote:

Also, I get my milk from the milkman, delivered to the door with the packaging recycled hundreds of times and money collected from me, in my house, once a month - why anyone would swap that convenience for a trip to the shops a couple of times a week beats me.

Because, currently, at the time they deliver around us, in the summer it'll be off and in the winter it'll be frozen because we're usually out the house before they come.

+1.
As a kid we woke up to milk on the doorstep. Now the milkman in our area delivers them the morning. I'm at work by 8am, my partner is out by 9am. The milkman delivers after that. What is that about? Are modern milkmen too lazy to get up early these days?

Well, I guess I'm lucky - my milk is on the doorstep at about 5.30am . . .

It's obviously down to the quality of service of your local milkman. There's no competition, one guy delivering in one area. In the right area the worst you have to worry about are blue tits pecking through the foil to get at the milk. Wrong area your milk is out all b day long. I reckon if we were in the right area with a good milkman who delivers early we'd use them. Even if it costs more.

Lookyhere

If hot air can rid the environment of plastic, then T.Mays 25 year plan of guide lines and urges should fix the problem.

rjsterry

Lookyhere wrote:

If hot air can rid the environment of plastic, then T.Mays 25 year plan of guide lines and urges should fix the problem.

With Gove blaming the problem on the EU as a warm up act.

Lookyhere

rjsterry wrote:

Lookyhere wrote:

If hot air can rid the environment of plastic, then T.Mays 25 year plan of guide lines and urges should fix the problem.

With Gove blaming the problem on the EU as a warm up act.

It was warming to hear TM taking credit for the 5p bag charge (EU directive) and that HER Government will take further action on Neonicotinoid s to save our Bee's - the same Government that has consistently argued with the EU to stop these chemicals being banned and to top it all, then saying they ll be millions more trees planted to form a Northern Forest, whilst only paying in £5m and expecting the Woodland trust to raise the 10s of millions needed and then HS2 destroying several ancient woodlands, quite unbelievable.

Does she really think younger voters wont see through this sham?