Miche cassettes

Alex99
Alex99 Posts: 1,407
edited December 2017 in Workshop
Hi all,

since 9s Shimano cassettes seem to be getting a little harder to find and have gone up in price, I'm interested in alternatives. Miche do some interesting ratios in 9s and a full range of single sprockets seem to be available, so I'm thinking that I can replace the ones that get the most wear and be even more skin flinty.

Is anyone using these, and what has been your experience?

Cheers

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  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    I have one - as good as anything else out there. No problems with them at all.

    An alternative is also SRAM as they work perfectly with Shimano trousers or just take the last cog off a ten and turn it into a 9.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • timothyw
    timothyw Posts: 2,482
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    just take the last cog off a ten and turn it into a 9.
    Pretty sure that isn't a very good idea unless you swap all the spacers over also....

    I mean, aren't shimano/sram 10 speed cassettes actually slightly narrower than then 9 speed ones?
  • Alex99
    Alex99 Posts: 1,407
    TimothyW wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    just take the last cog off a ten and turn it into a 9.
    Pretty sure that isn't a very good idea unless you swap all the spacers over also....

    I mean, aren't shimano/sram 10 speed cassettes actually slightly narrower than then 9 speed ones?

    Yes, a 10 is narrower than a 9. Matthewfalle mentioned this in another thread. How does this work?
  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    ...An alternative is also SRAM as they work perfectly with Shimano trousers.....

    Has MF been at the Christmas port already or has his pesky device been 'correcting' his typing....?
  • fenix
    fenix Posts: 5,437
    Wasn't he asking about waterproof trousers the other day ?

    https://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article/shi ... aid:763944
  • Alex99
    Alex99 Posts: 1,407
    Fenix wrote:
    Wasn't he asking about waterproof trousers the other day ?

    https://www.rosebikes.co.uk/article/shi ... aid:763944

    Interesting. I don't see them in the compatibility tables and no exploded view :?
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    the miche 11 speed individual sprockets i stock (I think I am the only retailer with them as well unless someone can correct me on that) are not compatible with 9 speed even if you use the 9 speed spacers.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • keezx
    keezx Posts: 1,323
    Alex99 wrote:
    TimothyW wrote:

    Yes, a 10 is narrower than a 9. Matthewfalle mentioned this in another thread. How does this work?

    What would you think of narrower cogs and narrower spacers and machining a bit away at the inside?
  • Alex99
    Alex99 Posts: 1,407
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    the miche 11 speed individual sprockets i stock (I think I am the only retailer with them as well unless someone can correct me on that) are not compatible with 9 speed even if you use the 9 speed spacers.

    Thanks. Very useful to know. Is there much to choose between a Miche 9s and HG50?
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    I don't know I have never used miche 9 speed Shimano.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Well, let’s put this crazy crazy line of thinking out there.

    Guy wants 9 speed cassette that he can’t find.

    Gets 10 speed cassette that is thinner.

    Given that he would most probably get a new chain for a new cassette, and 10 speed chains are a tenner and will work with his mechs and chainset, let’s hazard a crazy guess at what he most likely would do without it having to be pointed out.

    First crazy answer below gets a bar of chocolate......
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • cld531c
    cld531c Posts: 517
    I got a 9 speed Miche off ebay as I wanted 14-28 for a hilly ride...works a treat and is lovely and shiny. Looks better than the Shimano one IMO and works just as well.
  • Alex99
    Alex99 Posts: 1,407
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Well, let’s put this crazy crazy line of thinking out there.

    Guy wants 9 speed cassette that he can’t find.

    Gets 10 speed cassette that is thinner.

    Given that he would most probably get a new chain for a new cassette, and 10 speed chains are a tenner and will work with his mechs and chainset, let’s hazard a crazy guess at what he most likely would do without it having to be pointed out.

    First crazy answer below gets a bar of chocolate......

    Crazy answer #1 must surely be that this 'guy' must also buy 10s shifters, no? That is unless he's running friction downtube shifters. But then he's not running 9s anyway and the whole question implodes.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Alex99 wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Well, let’s put this crazy crazy line of thinking out there.

    Guy wants 9 speed cassette that he can’t find.

    Gets 10 speed cassette that is thinner.

    Given that he would most probably get a new chain for a new cassette, and 10 speed chains are a tenner and will work with his mechs and chainset, let’s hazard a crazy guess at what he most likely would do without it having to be pointed out.

    First crazy answer below gets a bar of chocolate......

    Crazy answer #1 must surely be that this 'guy' must also buy 10s shifters, no? That is unless he's running friction downtube shifters. But then he's not running 9s anyway and the whole question implodes.

    Not at all - utterly no need for 10 speed shifters. Why?

    Sorry - you've got me completely stumped with that answer.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Alex99 wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    Guy wants 9 speed cassette that he can’t find.

    Gets 10 speed cassette that is thinner.

    Given that he would most probably get a new chain for a new cassette, and 10 speed chains are a tenner and will work with his mechs and chainset, let’s hazard a crazy guess at what he most likely would do without it having to be pointed out.
    Crazy answer #1 must surely be that this 'guy' must also buy 10s shifters, no? That is unless he's running friction downtube shifters. But then he's not running 9s anyway and the whole question implodes.

    Not at all - utterly no need for 10 speed shifters. Why?
    Sorry - you've got me completely stumped with that answer.
    How do 9 speed shifters work with the ten speed cassette with the sprockets closer together?
    Currently riding a Whyte T130C, X0 drivetrain, Magura Trail brakes converted to mixed wheel size (homebuilt wheels) with 140mm Fox 34 Rhythm and RP23 suspension. 12.2Kg.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    The same as every other shifter bar 11 speed because that’s a generation on.

    Next suggestion please.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    Cassette Sprocket Pitch (mm)
    Shimano 8-speed = 4.80
    Shimano 9-speed = 4.35
    Shimano 10-speed = 3.95
  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    The same as every other shifter bar 11 speed because that’s a generation on.

    Next suggestion please.
    Yeah, but the 9 speed shifter will move the guide wheel to far for the gap between sprockets, so lets get back to you explaining how it will work.

    Pull ratio and gaps between sprockets are different -parts of the issue, you've covered one and singularly failed to address the other.
    Currently riding a Whyte T130C, X0 drivetrain, Magura Trail brakes converted to mixed wheel size (homebuilt wheels) with 140mm Fox 34 Rhythm and RP23 suspension. 12.2Kg.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    The Rookie wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    The same as every other shifter bar 11 speed because that’s a generation on.

    Next suggestion please.
    Yeah, but the 9 speed shifter will move the guide wheel to far for the gap between sprockets, so lets get back to you explaining how it will work.

    Pull ratio and gaps between sprockets are different -parts of the issue, you've covered one and singularly failed to address the other.

    No it won’t.

    Next please.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • Alex99
    Alex99 Posts: 1,407
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    The Rookie wrote:
    Matthewfalle wrote:
    The same as every other shifter bar 11 speed because that’s a generation on.

    Next suggestion please.
    Yeah, but the 9 speed shifter will move the guide wheel to far for the gap between sprockets, so lets get back to you explaining how it will work.

    Pull ratio and gaps between sprockets are different -parts of the issue, you've covered one and singularly failed to address the other.

    No it won’t.

    Next please.

    Why does it feel like I'm on the receiving end of a bizarre wind-up?
  • keef66
    keef66 Posts: 13,123
    Well this could go on for quite a while; Nobody's resorting to personal insults or typing in upper case yet.

    Logically I'm thinking if a 10 speed cassette is narrower than a 9, the sprocket spacing must be closer on the former. And if a 9 speed shifter pulls the rear mech x mm sideways with each click, that will be too far on a 10 speed cassette.

    I have a 10 speed bike and a 9 speed bike. Are you saying if I take the rear wheel off the 10 speed bike and stick it on the 9 speed one (with a 10 speed chain, which I happen to have spare) it will all work seamlessly with the 9 speed shifters apart from one fewer sprockets?

    I might just be bored enough over Christmas to give it a try and report back...
  • cycleclinic
    cycleclinic Posts: 6,865
    9 speed shimano and 10 speed shimano are incompatible. the spacing is different enough that it wont work acceptably unless your acceptable is not working that is.
    http://www.thecycleclinic.co.uk -wheel building and other stuff.
  • Alex99
    Alex99 Posts: 1,407
    thecycleclinic wrote:
    9 speed shimano and 10 speed shimano are incompatible. the spacing is different enough that it wont work acceptably unless your acceptable is not working that is.

    Exactly. Maybe we're all working from wildly different standards for what "working just fine" means. Call me old fashioned, but one too many clicks over a slightly narrower range of movement doesn't meet my standards. But that's just fickle old me.

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