Better palmares 6: Cavendish vs. Cipollini

m.r.m.
m.r.m. Posts: 3,486
edited November 2017 in Pro race
Manx Missile vs. the inventor of the sprint train.

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  • RichN95.
    RichN95. Posts: 27,262
    Cavendish.

    Cipollini racked up loads of Giro stages on friendly courses against little opposition. Couldn't reach the first rest day in the Tour.
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  • tailwindhome
    tailwindhome Posts: 19,461
    Cavendish isn't finished
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  • salsiccia1
    salsiccia1 Posts: 3,725
    Yes he is. Again. Until the next big win.
    It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    TailWindHome wrote:
    Cavendish isn't finished
    Thats a good point, but assumes you think Cipo is better and also begs the question , what would Cav have to do to overtake him?
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  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    They're very close in terms of actual results but I think Cavs points jersey in all 3 GTs clinches it for me.
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  • Vino'sGhost
    Vino'sGhost Posts: 4,129
    In a palmares tie Cipo would edge it on account of his skin suits, general Italian love god status and tax evasion.
  • Omar Little
    Omar Little Posts: 2,010
    Cavendish - 3 x world champ on the track and doesnt have the gaping hole in his sprinting palmares that Cipollini has - never making it to Paris to win on the champs elysee
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,340
    Cavendish for me.

    The overall number of GT wins - and their overall palmares - are remarkably similar, despite the grand tours moving away from multiple sprint stages. Both have worn the rainbow bands. Cavendish has the better track palmares though, and has arguably had tougher competition in the sprints. The clincher is that Cavendish has taken the points jerseys in all three GTs.
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  • timoid.
    timoid. Posts: 3,133
    Cavendish. Definitely.

    Tour Stage >>> Giro Stage and as mentioned above, he's got the full set of points jerseys.
    It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    Cipo probably suffered from his team not being invited to the Tour, especially towards the end of his career. For instance in 2002 he won MSR, the World title, 9 stages of the Giro and Vuelta and was 9th in Flanders, yet didn't merit an invite to the Tour. Indeed, he wasn't invited from 2000-2003, despite wearing the rainbow jersey. Given that he won 4 stages in 1999, it's perhaps fair to say he would have picked up a few more had he been invited for those 4 years.
  • yorkshireraw
    yorkshireraw Posts: 1,632
    Didn't Cavendish also catch and pedal past Cipo 1-legged in a prologue at the Tour of California c.07/08?
  • Lanterne_Rogue
    Lanterne_Rogue Posts: 4,340
    phreak wrote:
    Cipo probably suffered from his team not being invited to the Tour, especially towards the end of his career. For instance in 2002 he won MSR, the World title, 9 stages of the Giro and Vuelta and was 9th in Flanders, yet didn't merit an invite to the Tour. Indeed, he wasn't invited from 2000-2003, despite wearing the rainbow jersey. Given that he won 4 stages in 1999, it's perhaps fair to say he would have picked up a few more had he been invited for those 4 years.

    Right, and whose fault for repeatedly jiggering off to the beach was that lack of an invite, hmm?
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  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    Where do they stand with monument wins ? Is it one MSR each ?

    Was a fan of Cipo and as he's a Brit Cav too so very hard to split them both.

    Cav winning across three GTs will just edge it, he just needs to work on the skin suits
  • inseine
    inseine Posts: 5,788
    sherer wrote:
    Was a fan of Cipo and as he's a Brit

    ????
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Cav by miles.
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  • sherer
    sherer Posts: 2,460
    inseine wrote:
    sherer wrote:
    Was a fan of Cipo and as he's a Brit

    ????
    if you read the whole sentence you will see it says "and as he's a Brit too Cav". Although I could have used a bit of punctuation to make it clearer
  • fenix
    fenix Posts: 5,437
    Cav for me. Cipollini rocked it back in the day but it seened like it was less competition in those days ? His train was always great to watch.
  • phreak
    phreak Posts: 2,953
    Worth noting that Cipo also had 2 podiums at MSR (and 2 more top 10 finishes), as well as a top 10 in Flanders and 3 wins at Gent Wevelgem. He edges it for me.
  • fenix
    fenix Posts: 5,437
    It is fairly even so far stats wise =

    http://www.procyclingstats.com/statisti ... er2=117252
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    phreak wrote:
    Cipo probably suffered from his team not being invited to the Tour, especially towards the end of his career. For instance in 2002 he won MSR, the World title, 9 stages of the Giro and Vuelta and was 9th in Flanders, yet didn't merit an invite to the Tour. Indeed, he wasn't invited from 2000-2003, despite wearing the rainbow jersey. Given that he won 4 stages in 1999, it's perhaps fair to say he would have picked up a few more had he been invited for those 4 years.

    Yes but one reason they weren't invited us because traditionally Cipo climbed off after the first week.
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  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    Cav also hasn't retired yet.
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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    This one isn't serious, right?
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  • philbar72
    philbar72 Posts: 2,229
    Cav by a mile. On form and on his day he’s been the best sprinter I’ve ever seen, Cippo was very good for his time but should have at least got to the Champs elysees once or twice rather than being a bit of a douche…. Can Cav get those 4 tour stages though? Having said that as the best sprinter in the tour, numbers wise I can’t see many beating him (on race wins rather than green jerseys) as the best sprinter there…

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