Better palmares 5: Merckx vs. Vos

m.r.m.

Since it's already being discussed...

Salsiccia1 wrote:

M.R.M. wrote:

No but maybe Marianne Vos vs. Eddy Merckx :P

Now you're talking. You'd still say Merckx, but Marianne is probably in the top 5 best cyclists of all time for me.

RichN95 wrote:

Salsiccia1 wrote:

Now you're talking. You'd still say Merckx, but Marianne is probably in the top 5 best cyclists of all time for me.

Most successful maybe. But best? No.

Salsiccia1 wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Salsiccia1 wrote:

Now you're talking. You'd still say Merckx, but Marianne is probably in the top 5 best cyclists of all time for me.

Most successful maybe. But best? No.

It's the major success in 3 disciplines for me:
3x World titles (and 5x runner up), 1 Olympic gold, 5x World Cups, 3x Giri Rosa, 8x major Tours, 18x classics on the road
7x Worlds in cyclo-cross
2x World titles, 1 Olympic gold on the track

I'll happily acknowledge the disparity in competitiveness between men's and women's racing, but it's still absolutely outstanding.

RichN95 wrote:

Salsiccia1 wrote:

I'll happily acknowledge the disparity in competitiveness between men's and women's racing

That's what I was referring to.

Timoid. wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Salsiccia1 wrote:

I'll happily acknowledge the disparity in competitiveness between men's and women's racing

That's what I was referring to.

I absolutely agree with equality, but unless a woman beats the men in the men's races, she cannot be considered better than them.

Vos would win practically nothing if she was in an open field. She competes against a protected class (females) and the best that has been in that field.

This is the Fedrer / Williams debate on bicycles.

RichN95 wrote:

Timoid. wrote:

RichN95 wrote:

Salsiccia1 wrote:

I'll happily acknowledge the disparity in competitiveness between men's and women's racing

That's what I was referring to.

I absolutely agree with equality, but unless a woman beats the men in the men's races, she cannot be considered better than them.

Vos would win practically nothing if she was in an open field. She competes against a protected class (females) and the best that has been in that field.

This is the Fedrer / Williams debate on bicycles.

It's also like boxing. Gennady Golovkin (a middleweight) may very well be the best 'pound-for-pound' boxer in the world as many say he is, but the the simple fact is that there are dozens of heavyweights that would flatten him.

RichN95.

Merckx easily.

He's helped by the men having a fuller calendar (and Longo may beat Vos)

m.r.m.

What about dominance being dominance and only being able to beat the opponents in front of you?

cal_stewart

Vos vs Burton

rick_chasey

M.R.M. wrote:

What about dominance being dominance and only being able to beat the opponents in front of you?

Then my strangle on the club run sprint with the guys I choose to go out with must put me up there....

gsk82

Rick Chasey v Andrei Griepel (When he only rode shitty little races)