Better palmares 4: Paolini vs. Kreuziger
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lolz... much as Paolini is my man, Kreuziger nudges the better palmares.
GC at Suisse and Romandie, plus Amstel and 2 Giro stages vs Omloop, GW, a Giro and a Vuelta stage.
As a teammate Paolini wins hands down...0 -
Not at random. Just wanted some matchups to be a little outside the box. Both spent at least the latter days of their career (Kreuziger still racing) being super domestiques who can still win and I thought since we have some incredibly knowledgable members here, we'd have some matchups that go beyond counting wins on procyclingstats.PTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230
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Kreuziger has won far more. Paolini would be a better team mate and more fun at parties.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0
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Next up Mark Cavendish v Ryan GiggsM.R.M. wrote:Not at random. Just wanted some matchups to be a little outside the box. Both spent at least the latter days of their career (Kreuziger still racing) being super domestiques who can still win and I thought since we have some incredibly knowledgable members here, we'd have some matchups that go beyond counting wins on procyclingstats.Twitter: @RichN950 -
No but maybe Marianne Vos vs. Eddy Merckx :PPTP Champion 2019, 2022 & 20230
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M.R.M. wrote:No but maybe Marianne Vos vs. Eddy Merckx :P
Now you're talking. You'd still say Merckx, but Marianne is probably in the top 5 best cyclists of all time for me.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
Most successful maybe. But best? No.Salsiccia1 wrote:Now you're talking. You'd still say Merckx, but Marianne is probably in the top 5 best cyclists of all time for me.Twitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
Most successful maybe. But best? No.Salsiccia1 wrote:Now you're talking. You'd still say Merckx, but Marianne is probably in the top 5 best cyclists of all time for me.
It's the major success in 3 disciplines for me:
3x World titles (and 5x runner up), 1 Olympic gold, 5x World Cups, 3x Giri Rosa, 8x major Tours, 18x classics on the road
7x Worlds in cyclo-cross
2x World titles, 1 Olympic gold on the track
I'll happily acknowledge the disparity in competitiveness between men's and women's racing, but it's still absolutely outstanding.It's only a bit of sport, Mun. Relax and enjoy the racing.0 -
That's what I was referring to.Salsiccia1 wrote:I'll happily acknowledge the disparity in competitiveness between men's and women's racingTwitter: @RichN950 -
RichN95 wrote:
That's what I was referring to.Salsiccia1 wrote:I'll happily acknowledge the disparity in competitiveness between men's and women's racing
I absolutely agree with equality, but unless a woman beats the men in the men's races, she cannot be considered better than them.
Vos would win practically nothing if she was in an open field. She competes against a protected class (females) and the best that has been in that field.
This is the Fedrer / Williams debate on bicycles.It's a little like wrestling a gorilla. You don't quit when you're tired. You quit when the gorilla is tired.0 -
It's also like boxing. Gennady Golovkin (a middleweight) may very well be the best 'pound-for-pound' boxer in the world as many say he is, but the the simple fact is that there are dozens of heavyweights that would flatten him.Timoid. wrote:RichN95 wrote:
That's what I was referring to.Salsiccia1 wrote:I'll happily acknowledge the disparity in competitiveness between men's and women's racing
I absolutely agree with equality, but unless a woman beats the men in the men's races, she cannot be considered better than them.
Vos would win practically nothing if she was in an open field. She competes against a protected class (females) and the best that has been in that field.
This is the Fedrer / Williams debate on bicycles.Twitter: @RichN950
