Carbon wheels on a budget

FatTed

Could try this company, they always list them worth $100 for customs!
https://www.lightbicycle.com/U-shape-55 ... tible.html

shortfall

proto wrote:

'They spin up nicely' - what do you mean by this? (serious question)

There's a series of clichés you'll hear people use when describing tyres and wheels. I don't think this one is meaningless or without merit however. I once owned a set of Campagnolo Bullet 80s which were quite heavy and didn't respond well to any kind of crosswind. They also had really crap cartridge bearings which didn't seem to come out of the factory with enough grease and would actually start to bind after low mileages. All this conspired to make the bike feel sluggish to accelerate and generally handle like a boat. When I switched back to my Zondas they genuinely responded much more quickly to any effort or would "spin up nicely". Back to back with two totally different wheelsets then the difference was easily noticeable. Quite whether this is what most people mean when they talk about a wheelset spinning up nicely I don't know.

proto

Shortfall wrote:

proto wrote:

'They spin up nicely' - what do you mean by this? (serious question)

There's a series of clichés you'll hear people use when describing tyres and wheels. I don't think this one is meaningless or without merit however. I once owned a set of Campagnolo Bullet 80s which were quite heavy and didn't respond well to any kind of crosswind. They also had really crap cartridge bearings which didn't seem to come out of the factory with enough grease and would actually start to bind after low mileages. All this conspired to make the bike feel sluggish to accelerate and generally handle like a boat. When I switched back to my Zondas they genuinely responded much more quickly to any effort or would "spin up nicely". Back to back with two totally different wheelsets then the difference was easily noticeable. Quite whether this is what most people mean when they talk about a wheelset spinning up nicely I don't know.

So you mean that wheels that don't 'spin up nicely' feel sluggish? Can you get heavy wheels that 'spin up nicely' if the bearings are good? Or is there some other factor at play?

shortfall

proto wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

proto wrote:

'They spin up nicely' - what do you mean by this? (serious question)

There's a series of clichés you'll hear people use when describing tyres and wheels. I don't think this one is meaningless or without merit however. I once owned a set of Campagnolo Bullet 80s which were quite heavy and didn't respond well to any kind of crosswind. They also had really crap cartridge bearings which didn't seem to come out of the factory with enough grease and would actually start to bind after low mileages. All this conspired to make the bike feel sluggish to accelerate and generally handle like a boat. When I switched back to my Zondas they genuinely responded much more quickly to any effort or would "spin up nicely". Back to back with two totally different wheelsets then the difference was easily noticeable. Quite whether this is what most people mean when they talk about a wheelset spinning up nicely I don't know.

So you mean that wheels that don't 'spin up nicely' feel sluggish? Can you get heavy wheels that 'spin up nicely' if the bearings are good? Or is there some other factor at play?

I've not thought about it that deeply. I can only speak about my own experience. Someone who knows a lot more about wheels than I do will have to answer that one.

trivial_poursuivant

proto wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

proto wrote:

'They spin up nicely' - what do you mean by this? (serious question)

There's a series of clichés you'll hear people use when describing tyres and wheels. I don't think this one is meaningless or without merit however. I once owned a set of Campagnolo Bullet 80s which were quite heavy and didn't respond well to any kind of crosswind. They also had really crap cartridge bearings which didn't seem to come out of the factory with enough grease and would actually start to bind after low mileages. All this conspired to make the bike feel sluggish to accelerate and generally handle like a boat. When I switched back to my Zondas they genuinely responded much more quickly to any effort or would "spin up nicely". Back to back with two totally different wheelsets then the difference was easily noticeable. Quite whether this is what most people mean when they talk about a wheelset spinning up nicely I don't know.

So you mean that wheels that don't 'spin up nicely' feel sluggish? Can you get heavy wheels that 'spin up nicely' if the bearings are good? Or is there some other factor at play?

Even if that were the case. They are for triathlon so you are predominately cruising along and a slightly heavier wheel are of benefit as they act like a flywheel using their own inertia to keep them turning. Light wheels are good for climbing and Crits where there is a fair amount of accelerating. In TT and Triathlon, once your going you very rarely come to a standstill.

kingrollo

proto wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

proto wrote:

'They spin up nicely' - what do you mean by this? (serious question)

There's a series of clichés you'll hear people use when describing tyres and wheels. I don't think this one is meaningless or without merit however. I once owned a set of Campagnolo Bullet 80s which were quite heavy and didn't respond well to any kind of crosswind. They also had really crap cartridge bearings which didn't seem to come out of the factory with enough grease and would actually start to bind after low mileages. All this conspired to make the bike feel sluggish to accelerate and generally handle like a boat. When I switched back to my Zondas they genuinely responded much more quickly to any effort or would "spin up nicely". Back to back with two totally different wheelsets then the difference was easily noticeable. Quite whether this is what most people mean when they talk about a wheelset spinning up nicely I don't know.

So you mean that wheels that don't 'spin up nicely' feel sluggish? Can you get heavy wheels that 'spin up nicely' if the bearings are good? Or is there some other factor at play?

FFS - its pretty obvious what he means. Sure you can dissect it, and twist it to try and make him look an ass. ....But who wants to do that.

Matthewfalle

FatTed wrote:

Could try this company, they always list them worth $100 for customs!
https://www.lightbicycle.com/U-shape-55 ... tible.html

Everyone does.

drlodge

proto wrote:

So you mean that wheels that don't 'spin up nicely' feel sluggish? Can you get heavy wheels that 'spin up nicely' if the bearings are good? Or is there some other factor at play?

Weight is not all the same. I suspect that wheels with less weight on the periphery (rims/tyres) will feel like they "spin up well" compared to wheels of equal weight made of featherlite hubs but heavy rims. Unless the hubs are faulty (tight), I doubt bearings will make much, if any, difference.