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jgsi
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But mainly Zwift.
Why do choppers, knobbers and other assorted drongoes come onto a C based mid 2 w/kg Randonee / Audax and feck everyone over with riding at and over threshold?
It's like , not satisfied with trainer and weight doping for races , the have to do this?
One reply of "what is an Audax?" is indicative that people have become obsessed with kit and how their stupid fckin pain caves look that they have no appreciation of actual cycling.
Rant over.
Why do choppers, knobbers and other assorted drongoes come onto a C based mid 2 w/kg Randonee / Audax and feck everyone over with riding at and over threshold?
It's like , not satisfied with trainer and weight doping for races , the have to do this?
One reply of "what is an Audax?" is indicative that people have become obsessed with kit and how their stupid fckin pain caves look that they have no appreciation of actual cycling.
Rant over.
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Wow!!!
That might be why I avoid Zwift!!!
And there was me thinking it was mean to be relaxing..whilst still giving you the workout benefits!!!0 -
You'll find a few BR forum members will never be relaxed, Vinny.Ben
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Nothing relaxing , but it is a very poor training regime that dictates each and every ride has to be Zone 4 and over.
I have done such a ride previously and for 2 hours , we all got a challenging Zone 2 workout that did not create unnecessary overload... this time however... sense and sensibility flew out of the mad house.... new season riders more than likely to be at fault in not obeying ride rules.
Zone 2 workouts are pretty important to me.0 -
Can you not ride it privately?? As a workout ? Or create your own like Trainer Road or Training Peaks...from my experience of Zwift it does seem a bit of a free for all..there will ALWAYS be someone who cant conform to the suggested "rules" , albeit, they don't seem to be enforced in any real way.
But I guess if you pay your money you sort of get the choice how you use it really.
My thoughts were along the lines of...Why would you, if you are clearly sooooo good want to ride with people so inferior to you...just so you got to buzz off beating them...hence I didn't stay with it, it's a great platform looks wise etc, but lends itself to exactly what the OP is talking about, hence I'M OUT......0 -
Yes , you can, but it is also nice to ride as a group without having a Boy Scout ride leader like in many other Zwift group rides.
It can work, it has done, but as you have sussed , Zwift has become a place for obsessive egos... (even mine).
Races are races ... free for alls... but an advertised ride event at a certain pacing can be quite enjoyable.
I did the Diamondback challenge over 112 Zwiftmiles the other week... also good for the soul but there you ride for hours alone.
It will be interesting as and when RoadGrandTours takes off and suffers from Zwiftisms.0 -
Do road races have categories based on FTP? The answer is no, you go up the categories based on results. This ultimately is the problem with Zwift races and until Zwift take ownership of races and group rides you can’t blame people riding it races they think they will win.
I have a good FTP but an apoling sprint. I will never win a cat A race and cat B are tough for me to finish high in. My should I race in A when I get a better workout and result in B?0 -
Just let them go off the front and disappear up the road, then forget about them. Don't let a few weight doping ego massaging virtual choppers ruin your ride.JGSI wrote:But mainly Zwift.
Why do choppers, knobbers and other assorted drongoes come onto a C based mid 2 w/kg Randonee / Audax and feck everyone over with riding at and over threshold?
It's like , not satisfied with trainer and weight doping for races , the have to do this?
This is why I prefer the Zwift races where there are no Catarogies - everyone starts together - makes for a super intense session as you try and stick with the faster riders!BrandonA wrote:Do road races have categories based on FTP? The answer is no, you go up the categories based on results.0 -
was just ranting because I just felt the need for a nice , less than frenetic workout...and didnt get one .
Just out now for the annual clocks back reliability... proper riding.
I am still amazed that Zwift software geeks have not been allowed by senior management to put the w/kg figure in the screen dashboard to at least give riders some indication that are being twats.0 -
Just clicked on this indoor thread by mistake... people actually care about this stuff, wow.0
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Yes Joe, people do comment..pretty much like you have...so, your point is actually what??0
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A 60 year old man getting upset over a silly virtual reality game0
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You're brave, feck off lol0
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right though
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I did mention I was having a hissy fit... I also have hissy fits when someone switches in a road race, so maybe I'm just prone to hissy fits.
Btw, when you Zwift race you are more than likely in the red zone, now are you so calm and collected at all times when you are cycling, regardless if it's virtual or not?
I probably get more agitated at bad cycling from other cyclists than I do from car drivers doin' left hooks... things I expect from amateur drivers.0 -
Seems you still had your knickers twisted 6 hours after finishing your ride0
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I've done a few of those longer rides on Zwift and a couple of things have sprung out. Firstly, you'll always get some that go off a bit faster, and you'll get some that join a group ride for a part of it rather than the whole thing, but equally it seldom turns into a sportive type environment where you ride solo for the whole thing. Groups form. Secondly, it seems to be the thing that any slight speed bump sees people going a lot harder than they do the rest of the ride. Like 20% harder a lot of the time.
It is what it is. Doesn't really seem worth getting worked up about.0 -
I've just joined Zwift a couple of weeks ago and have found it great fun so far. So far, I've just 'joined in ' so have met all sorts of different speeds etc. I've done some 'fast for me' 45 minute blasts, but having got some of that out of the system am looking for my next ride on there to be longer at a steadier pace. I compare it to running races I competed in where invariably you end up running faster by getting pulled along .0
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Some groups seem to be better than others, but theres always a few twonks that fly off up the road. Just leave them to it. I've found the ZSUN rides tend to be well led and stick to the advertised pace on the whole.0
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the new group workout mode on Zwift is really good, keeps everyone together in a nice group regardless of the wattage you're putting out as long as you keep pedalling.0
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for a start its a 2w/kg ride
what do you think is going to happen ... the 50kg female is riding at 100w, the 85 kg man is riding at 170w ... its a flat course.
but yes agree it is annoying at times .....I have found though the best thing to do is only ride in groups when you want to push yourself, any relaxing rides should be done on your own with the radio on BBC 4 listening to Tweet of the week or the shipping forcast. :wack:
or do a group workout and set your FTP suitably low to simulate zone20 -
This is lost on me... I always thought audax riding was a fairly solitary thing, not 50-strong pelotons cruising along at 23 km/h.
No one is being forced to ride at a higher power? If it riles you so much (and by the sound of it, you don't much enjoy riding with other cyclists outside either) maybe just stick to riding solo?0 -
Well, I'm not alone on here thinking most other cyclists are knobs, but where do you get the idea I dont like riding in groups lol? It's a banter thing. and having a thick skin is required for the job especially in the race 'peloton'.
Do much racing?0 -
Yes, a fair bit. Around 25 road races a year in the French leagues whilst I lived there. UFOLEP premier categorie.
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I've just started on zwift, and I don't understand why you'd want to ride with other people on there if you don't want to ride harder than you normally would, rather than just riding around sticking to a set wattage or following a workout. Races, I totally get.
Do you chat to people on there?0 -
I've had a couple of looks at it - but to ride it properly I'd need new IT kit ... so I've stuck with BKool Simulator for now.KingstonGraham wrote:I've just started on zwift, and I don't understand why you'd want to ride with other people on there if you don't want to ride harder than you normally would, rather than just riding around sticking to a set wattage or following a workout. Races, I totally get.
I find turbo boring as heck and before the simulator - struggled to get on with the non-smart turbo with nothing but my Garmin 800 for company. Getting on the simulator meant that I was riding "with others" - even if they were going faster or slower - I found that the presense of others gave me encouragement/incentive not to give up and even to push myself to catch or stay ahead of the others.
I don't know how I'd get on with Trainer Road or similar - I suspect it'd be ok - but sometimes it's nice to "get out" and "just ride"
If you've got time/energy to chat then you've got time/energy to push harder!KingstonGraham wrote:Do you chat to people on there?0 -
Slowbike wrote:If you've got time/energy to chat then you've got time/energy to push harder!
As true as this is ... it would lead to some sh1te training if you only ever rode at a pace where you couldnt talk or type ... every ride would be an FTP test.
I find the social aspect of Zwift really quite engaging .... you know those parts of a workout where you are not sprinting ... or riding at threshold .... you can chat in those bits
as well as group workouts where you are elastic banded together or racing there are the normal group rides where the leader will focus on Sprint sessions, or 4w/kg through the tunnel then back to 3w/kg until we get to the esses etc etc
there is plenty of time to chat with other riders or the group, tell jokes, banter , organise a quick slog up the mountain after the group ride0 -
True ... but then - at 30 minutes on average - most of my training is sh1te ...fat daddy wrote:Slowbike wrote:If you've got time/energy to chat then you've got time/energy to push harder!
As true as this is ... it would lead to some sh1te training if you only ever rode at a pace where you couldnt talk or type ... every ride would be an FTP test.
More of a virtual club ride then - sprint for the sign ... then back off again ... don't get that in Bkool as there just isn't the numbers (when I ride anyway) - so all rides are virtually on my own ..fat daddy wrote:I find the social aspect of Zwift really quite engaging .... you know those parts of a workout where you are not sprinting ... or riding at threshold .... you can chat in those bits
as well as group workouts where you are elastic banded together or racing there are the normal group rides where the leader will focus on Sprint sessions, or 4w/kg through the tunnel then back to 3w/kg until we get to the esses etc etc
there is plenty of time to chat with other riders or the group, tell jokes, banter , organise a quick slog up the mountain after the group ride
The advantages of Bkool are that you can ride anywhere, anywhen and you can set up Bots that will ride to a program to push you or sit there keeping you company etc etc ... Oh - and the simulator works on lower spec hardware - although it's just got to the point where my Intel duo core processor is being a bit slow....0 -
Fair enough, think I must just be anti-social. I can't imagine organising a ride up a virtual mountain.0
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I guess if you've got nothing better to do ...
I'm looking at the forecast for tomorrow - might just try and get a longer turbo session in then ...0
