Pedal stroke

ExCyclist
ExCyclist Posts: 336
edited August 2017 in Road general
Ok I bet I'm not the only one with poor pedal stroke - been trying to smooth this out for a while now - today doing mile long 'One foot unclipped' efforts in an effort to make the action smoother.

Worked to a degree - felt better on hills. Any other tips? Has to be one of the hardest things to do to re-train your legs to take on the smoother up stroke.

Thanks.

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  • Garry H
    Garry H Posts: 6,639
    Did it make you go quicker?
  • ExCyclist
    ExCyclist Posts: 336
    Garry H wrote:
    Did it make you go quicker?

    Actually yes - not by much but it all counts. More power on the upstroke and less of the 'dead' spot. Hence my 'felt better on the hills', mention.
  • The best way to pedal better is to do it more. Overthinking it or trying to fundamentally alter your pedal stroke is a huge hiding to nothing. If anything it can decrease efficiency, particularly if you try pulling up at the bottom of the stroke, which some people still do for some reason.
  • hopkinb
    hopkinb Posts: 7,129
    I pedal like a god. I keep the power on through 120% of the pedal stroke, at 110 rpm. People gasp as I pass them, and it's not just the worn bibs.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 51,364
    Get some rollers. It will force you to pedal smoothly but before then:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjdSJ-YrCcM

    No one can keep up with you Hoppy. You should really have turned Pro at some point but at 60, it's a bit late now.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,803
    One useful tip if you are not smooth is to follow through the downstroke.
    A similar motion to scraping MM off your shoes.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 51,364
    PBlakeney wrote:
    A similar motion to scraping MM off your shoes.

    It's all entertainment. Imagine MM, Cody and Manc33 all in a room together.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,803
    Pinno wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    A similar motion to scraping MM off your shoes.

    It's all entertainment. Imagine MM, Cody and Manc33 all in a room together.
    Chunk in Trump and you have 4 horsemen. :lol:
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 51,364
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    A similar motion to scraping MM off your shoes.

    It's all entertainment. Imagine MM, Cody and Manc33 all in a room together.
    Chunk in Trump and you have 4 horsemen. :lol:

    4 horsemen of the apocalypse?
    The end of anything more than snails pace
    The end of sex
    The end is just a conspiracy and
    The end.
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • mouth
    mouth Posts: 1,195
    hopkinb wrote:
    I pedal like a god. I keep the power on through 120% of the pedal stroke, at 110 rpm. People gasp as I pass them, and it's not just the worn bibs.

    You are MileMuncher and I claim my £5.
    The only disability in life is a poor attitude.
  • andcp
    andcp Posts: 644
    hopkinb wrote:
    I pedal like a god.
    So do I but unfortunately it's Buddha.
    "It must be true, it's on the internet" - Winston Churchill
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,803
    Pinno wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    Pinno wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    A similar motion to scraping MM off your shoes.

    It's all entertainment. Imagine MM, Cody and Manc33 all in a room together.
    Chunk in Trump and you have 4 horsemen. :lol:

    4 horsemen of the apocalypse?
    The end of anything more than snails pace
    The end of sex
    The end is just a conspiracy and
    The end.
    Reminds me of a rather non PC song.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • pinno
    pinno Posts: 51,364
    Andcp wrote:
    hopkinb wrote:
    I pedal like a god.
    So do I but unfortunately it's Buddha.

    Reminds me of that joke:

    Q: How many existentialists does it take to change a light bulb?
    A: Fish.

    You don't carry a Donor card then? You Carry a card saying "In case of accident, call a Lama",
    I told that joke to some wise crack Northern Irishman who asked me what religion I was, I said "I was a Buddhist and in case of acc... etc, and he replied "What if there isn't a zoo nearby?"
    seanoconn - gruagach craic!
  • milemuncher1
    milemuncher1 Posts: 1,472
    Mouth wrote:
    hopkinb wrote:
    I pedal like a god. I keep the power on through 120% of the pedal stroke, at 110 rpm. People gasp as I pass them, and it's not just the worn bibs.

    You are MileMuncher and I claim my £5.

    I'm far more God like.
  • milemuncher1
    milemuncher1 Posts: 1,472
    ExCyclist wrote:
    Ok I bet I'm not the only one with poor pedal stroke - been trying to smooth this out for a while now - today doing mile long 'One foot unclipped' efforts in an effort to make the action smoother.

    Worked to a degree - felt better on hills. Any other tips? Has to be one of the hardest things to do to re-train your legs to take on the smoother up stroke.

    Thanks.
    Pedal in circles. If you pedal in any other geometrical shape, you won't achieve enough POWWWWWWWWWWWWWERRRRRRRRRRRRR.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,803
    My cranks and pedals only allow for pedalling circles.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • imposter2.0
    imposter2.0 Posts: 12,028
    ExCyclist wrote:
    Ok I bet I'm not the only one with poor pedal stroke - been trying to smooth this out for a while now - today doing mile long 'One foot unclipped' efforts in an effort to make the action smoother.

    Worked to a degree - felt better on hills. Any other tips? Has to be one of the hardest things to do to re-train your legs to take on the smoother up stroke.

    Thanks.

    Pushing the pedals hard for as long as you need to is far more important than any faux technique. Science says so.
  • milemuncher1
    milemuncher1 Posts: 1,472
    The ability to harvest data is a wonderful thing, if that's what floats your boat. Set up your bike with a 2 sided power meter set up, and something that can analyse the results. Look to try and work out where on the stroke the spikes / troughs are at their worst then work on smoothing out any spikeyness on the plots. Something as simple as increasing the stiffness of the soles on your shoes, and decreasing the amount of cleat float, can help to start out with.
  • fat daddy
    fat daddy Posts: 2,605
    PBlakeney wrote:
    My cranks and pedals only allow for pedalling circles.

    I am sure there is plenty of money to be made (probably by absolute black or R-rotor) by inventing the oval crank ..... a quick bit of blurb claiming 10% more power and people will snap them up
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,328
    The ability to harvest data is a wonderful thing, if that's what floats your boat.
    I'm really glad that isn't what floats my particular boat.
  • ExCyclist
    ExCyclist Posts: 336
    I love starting threads that turn crackers. Good work people, made me chuckle this morning.
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,803
    fat daddy wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    My cranks and pedals only allow for pedalling circles.

    I am sure there is plenty of money to be made (probably by absolute black or R-rotor) by inventing the oval crank ..... a quick bit of blurb claiming 10% more power and people will snap them up
    Your pedals will still only go in a circular motion though.
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • hopkinb
    hopkinb Posts: 7,129
    Mouth wrote:
    hopkinb wrote:
    I pedal like a god. I keep the power on through 120% of the pedal stroke, at 110 rpm. People gasp as I pass them, and it's not just the worn bibs.

    You are MileMuncher and I claim my £5.

    :D

    Nah. I'm not. I only do about 8-9000 km per year, and only record my rides once. I do genuinely have a cadence of around 100 rpm though, but I don't suppose it's a particularly smooth stroke unless I concentrate on it, and my right knee splays outwards a touch at the top of the stroke. I hate grinding.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    I have to consciously keep my left knee in due to my left knee being buggered and now also having to keep my right knee due to that being buggered.

    Heels down up and around is the mantra that Paolo Salvodelli taught me and it works brilliant. I have souplesse that is unsouplesseable and beyond reproach when it all comes together. Occasionally I look like a farmer pedaling my way down to the local for a pint of scrumpy and a raw potato.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • StillGoing
    StillGoing Posts: 5,211
    Pinno wrote:
    Get some rollers. It will force you to pedal smoothly but before then:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjdSJ-YrCcM


    This. If you aren't smooth on rollers, its jerky. You'll soon learn a smooth pedalling technique.
    I ride a bike. Doesn't make me green or a tree hugger. I drive a car too.
  • PBlakeney wrote:
    fat daddy wrote:
    PBlakeney wrote:
    My cranks and pedals only allow for pedalling circles.

    I am sure there is plenty of money to be made (probably by absolute black or R-rotor) by inventing the oval crank ..... a quick bit of blurb claiming 10% more power and people will snap them up
    Your pedals will still only go in a circular motion though.

    not true.
    This will vary with speed and cadence; manc33 would trace something like a rectified sine wave where as mile-mincer would trace a dual-wavelength wave.

    manc33 pedal trace:
    Simple_full-wave_rectified_sine.svg

    mile-mincer pedal trace:
    465_4212_466-4212(1).jpg
  • svetty
    svetty Posts: 1,904
    The best way to pedal better is to do it more. Overthinking it or trying to fundamentally alter your pedal stroke is a huge hiding to nothing. If anything it can decrease efficiency, particularly if you try pulling up at the bottom of the stroke, which some people still do for some reason.
    ^this ++
    FFS! Harden up and grow a pair :D
  • svetty
    svetty Posts: 1,904
    ExCyclist wrote:
    I love starting threads that turn crackers. Good work people, made me chuckle this morning.
    Bungle is that you ;)
    FFS! Harden up and grow a pair :D
  • pblakeney
    pblakeney Posts: 25,803
    Mince
    :lol::lol::lol:
    The above may be fact, or fiction, I may be serious, I may be jesting.
    I am not sure. You have no chance.
    Veronese68 wrote:
    PB is the most sensible person on here.
  • ExCyclist
    ExCyclist Posts: 336
    Svetty wrote:
    ExCyclist wrote:
    I love starting threads that turn crackers. Good work people, made me chuckle this morning.
    Bungle is that you ;)

    :lol:

    I've been compared to him before.