Tim farron

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  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    Tangled Metal wrote:
    FFS he voted for gay rights.How many times must his voting reference of 6 for gay rights and 1 abstention for what is possibly liberal reasons. Hardly anti-gay.

    he was asked repeatedly if he thought gay sex was a sin, he gave an inconsistent answer, as i said, he is getting hung up on something that isnt stated as a sin in the bible but which he clearly has an issue with, sodomy isnt the same thing as gay rights.

    Corbyn got hauled over for refusing to answer Q on nuclear deterrent etc the press will pick up on these inconsistencies, i dont know why you are finding this so difficult to grasp.

    do i agree this is fair? no i dont but its their choice to get involved in politics, Corbyn can handle it, Farron and May can't but in all honesty, get angry about folk burned to death in their homes.
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    He views religion as a personal matter and separate from politics. He's said that before, a few times in different ways. If you think that counts as being hung up on something or being inconsistent then you'll probably not believe his voting record neither. You've condemned him unfairly IMHO. Do you not think a politician's beliefs on religion should be separate from their politics and political roles? I think that is his view. It's not so.much his hang up but that if his pursuers. Ymmv.

    BTW trying to keep your religious views to yourself like Farron was isn't the same as Corbyn being questioned on matters he's got a long history of speaking against. Does Farron have a history of talking about his religion? I used to know people who worked with him before he first got elected and left for Westminster. They talk about how he talked about his activity in the local LibDems and his politics. Not one said be talked about religion. I personally believe religious beliefs should be a personal matter with the individual keeping it to themselves and others keep out of it too.

    Personally I do see a difference between the treatment of Farron and that of Corbyn.
  • DeVlaeminck
    DeVlaeminck Posts: 9,108
    It's worth pointing out that he wasn't actually forced to resign over this issue. Yes he had a bit of a sticky time in the press but does anyone think he'd have gone had he won 20% of the popular vote?

    I'm undecided as to how far the stick he got was justified, in the context of an election in 2017 Britain though I don't think it was unusually vicious.
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    A report on tv said senior LibDems came to him and told/persuaded him to resign. That almost sounds biblical, "angels of the LibDems cameth unto Farron..."

    At the bottom of it all there's a liberal party that has lost a leader seemingly because he believed in a religion. He hardly rained down a fire and brimstone rhetoric from his leader's pulpit (platform). He rarely mentioned religion and tried to avoid talking about it.

    "Yes but that's avoiding the issue!" Yes, that idea is problematic for me. Is believing in.a religion an issue? If it doesn't appear to mean he acts against the policies of his party except on the rare occasion when he went into the wrong lobby with 9 other LibDem MPs. Mind you, those other 9 have had the ultimate sanction I reckon of being kicked out by the electorate.

    Of interest to me is the way I think every friend I.have who lives in the constituency he represents or neighbouring ones don't really have a negative word to say about him other than he's not like the other leaders. Kind of not really political leadership material. I think that was the point of his appointment as leader. He was not tainted by Clegg's coalition decisions, he was different to past charismatic or high profile leaders and his politics seemed to be different too. Add to that the news media / political editors on news channels said he had constituency party support. Well apparently he had been circulating around the country speaking to LibDem rank and file gaining their opinions. Don't know how true but I'd not have rated his chances of leadership myself.

    Still, whatever the truth there's a job vacancy in the LibDems. Good luck filling it!
  • mamba80
    mamba80 Posts: 5,032
    i dont feel i ve condemned him, i dont care about him.

    he wants my vote, so he should be consistent and realise that whatever his personal objections to sodomy its not based on biblical text

    anyone's christian views (indeed any strongly held ideals) will shape their political views and therefore are very relevant.

    as DeV said, he didnt need to resign and i would say that JC and now May ar getting questioned over their actions and beliefs to a far greater extent than Farron.
  • kingstongraham
    kingstongraham Posts: 28,226
    He should have gone for saying "Vote for me and you know I won't get into government, but also, I won't do any deal with anyone to be able to have any real effect other than standing by and criticising."

    Made his party completely pointless.

    And I voted for them.
  • surrey_commuter
    surrey_commuter Posts: 18,867
    mamba80 wrote:
    i dont feel i ve condemned him, i dont care about him.

    he wants my vote, so he should be consistent and realise that whatever his personal objections to sodomy its not based on biblical text

    anyone's christian views (indeed any strongly held ideals) will shape their political views and therefore are very relevant.

    as DeV said, he didnt need to resign and i would say that JC and now May ar getting questioned over their actions and beliefs to a far greater extent than Farron.

    Not wishing to be pedantic but I think he only objects to sodomy between two men
  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    Sir Vince Cable says he is a candidate to become Liberal Democrat leader.
    The former business secretary, who has served as deputy leader and acting leader in the past, is throwing his hat into the ring after Tim Farron said he would stand down this summer.
    Sir Vince has been a senior figure in the party for 20 years and won his Twickenham seat back at the election.
    Other possible candidates include ex-ministers Norman Lamb and Ed Davey.
    Jo Swinson has ruled herself out although she might contest the position of deputy leader which is being revived following the general election.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40339334

    Good sensible pair of hands to galvanize the party.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,024
    Nick Clegg continues to waffle on. He doesn't seem to have notice that he lost his seat. Silencing him is the first job for a new leader.
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Nick Clegg continues to waffle on. He doesn't seem to have notice that he lost his seat. Silencing him is the first job for a new leader.

    You mean the only leader of the current iteration of the lib dems who actually was in power in some form?

    And if you consider the liberal party, the only one for almost 80 years?
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  • rjsterry
    rjsterry Posts: 29,811
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Nick Clegg continues to waffle on. He doesn't seem to have notice that he lost his seat. Silencing him is the first job for a new leader.
    You're starting to sound a little obsessive on this, BB.
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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Nick Clegg continues to waffle on. He doesn't seem to have notice that he lost his seat. Silencing him is the first job for a new leader.

    Yes, when you loose your seat, it's time to let the contenders be the mouthpiece.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,024
    rjsterry wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Nick Clegg continues to waffle on. He doesn't seem to have notice that he lost his seat. Silencing him is the first job for a new leader.
    You're starting to sound a little obsessive on this, BB.

    That's probably fair. I should just change channels instead of being annoyed.
  • TheBigBean
    TheBigBean Posts: 22,024
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Nick Clegg continues to waffle on. He doesn't seem to have notice that he lost his seat. Silencing him is the first job for a new leader.

    You mean the only leader of the current iteration of the lib dems who actually was in power in some form?

    And if you consider the liberal party, the only one for almost 80 years?

    A variation of the argument used in support of similar waffling by Blair and Thatcher
  • rick_chasey
    rick_chasey Posts: 75,660
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Rick Chasey wrote:
    TheBigBean wrote:
    Nick Clegg continues to waffle on. He doesn't seem to have notice that he lost his seat. Silencing him is the first job for a new leader.

    You mean the only leader of the current iteration of the lib dems who actually was in power in some form?

    And if you consider the liberal party, the only one for almost 80 years?

    A variation of the argument used in support of similar waffling by Blair and Thatcher

    I think their perspective is worth hearing, even if you want to dismiss it afterwards.

    It's a fairly rare perspective, and usually when you're no longer running for seats, you can be a little more unguarded.
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  • FocusZing
    FocusZing Posts: 4,373
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