Stupidly noisy motorbikes

secretsam
secretsam Posts: 5,117
edited May 2017 in Commuting chat
I am so sick of middle-aged men in leather riding outrageously noisy motorbikes. Absolute twunts, not one of them can ride worth a damn, bl00dy mid-life crises on 2 wheels.

It's just a hill. Get over it.
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  • fat daddy
    fat daddy Posts: 2,605
    that's not mid life ...... mid life it hurts your wrists and the noise wakes your kids up in the morning .... the loud bikes are pre-midlife .... when you reach mid life, you tone the bike noise down so you don't wake you kid up and you buy in to the whole lycra and holding the traffic up thing

    well that's what I did ..... although my wife still complains the bike is too loud
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,562
    fat daddy wrote:
    that's not mid life ...... mid life it hurts your wrists and the noise wakes your kids up in the morning .... the loud bikes are pre-midlife .... when you reach mid life, you tone the bike noise down so you don't wake you kid up and you buy in to the whole lycra and holding the traffic up thing

    well that's what I did ..... although my wife still complains the bike is too loud
    My current motorbike is very quiet, it's been in bits since I bought it 8 years ago. The loudest bike I had was when our kids were quite small. They'd know I was home and would be at the door to meet me. After I sold it I thought the neighbours would be happy, but no, a couple of them complained they were late for work because they didn't hear me leave for work in the morning. Who'd have thought it was a public service?
  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    Close encounter this morning? Let it go. We need organ donors from somewhere might as well be them!

    I say that after watching a cruiser style bike come up behind me then decide he'd cruise slowly past just as a truck was approaching the other way. I was in my car so had the decision whether to brake and let him in or maintain speed and watch the headlong collision into the front of a truck. It was tempting but humanity crept in and i saved his life!

    Well I'm exaggerating to make a point that there are idiot bikers around and it's better to just make allowances and forget about it. That's concerning the riding behaviour. I'm totally against the noise aspect. I know a little about bike exhausts from previous jobs and biker colleagues. The noise and performance can become an obsession to some. Given the choice between legal and illegal on the road race style pipes they'll choose illegal just for a minute gain in performance that'll be lost by their inadequacies as a rider anyway.

    It is my firm belief that car, truck, bus and bike exhausts should have stricter noise emission controls. The system for enforcement isn't good, as indeed enforcement of any road related matter. Bike exhaust noise is pollution in many cases.

    BTW my other pet hate is tuned cars. There's a garage owner near my work with an obsession for tuned cars such as Nissan skyline. Ones he can get from Japan then tune up. Some of his cars are tuned for performance others for the noise and rally image. There's a few round this neck of the woods like that. As a result I can be riding into work and hear tyre exhaust note well before the car appears. Then there's the annoying popping from tyre exhaust. Fuel/air mixture wrong or just poor gear changes? If I become God/president I'd order their car to be crushed. Whether they're in it or not at the time!

    P.S. you might know that garage owner is driving up.behind you by the exhaust noise but when he drives like you're not there so you have to steer into the kerb it's still off-putting. Him I'd prefer to be in the car during crushing. He's also a rip off merchant in the garage. Well he has an expensive car habit to fund.

    Sorry I digress, but TBH bikers and tuned car nuts are often cut from a similar cloth IMHO.
  • elbowloh
    elbowloh Posts: 7,078
    Then there's the annoying popping from tyre exhaust. Fuel/air mixture wrong or just poor gear changes? If I become God/president I'd order their car to be crushed. Whether they're in it or not at the time!
    The worst ones are the twunts who know how to do the popping and time it for just as they're passing you on your cycle, hoping it will scare the bejeezus out of you.
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  • tgotb
    tgotb Posts: 4,714
    elbowloh wrote:
    The worst ones are the twunts who know how to do the popping and time it for just as they're passing you on your cycle, hoping it will scare the bejeezus out of you.
    In my case, they're normally pretty effective in that regard.

    Out of interest, anyone know what causes the popping?
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  • fat daddy
    fat daddy Posts: 2,605
    TGOTB wrote:
    elbowloh wrote:
    Out of interest, anyone know what causes the popping?

    unburnt fuel in the exhaust ...

    Many reasons for it being there, some are due to bad tuning, ie removing the re-circ DV so the ECU is expecting more air than its getting as you close the throttle and to much fuel is injected. Using a FPR to massively increase baseline pressure so it over fuels at low revs in compensation for high rev application etc etc

    But then there is the natural tuning down sides :- Over lap in the valves opening ie aggressive cams, so its already letting in fuel before its expelled the gas ... needed for high RPM power. Traction control cutting out the sparks on injectors
  • Big_Paul
    Big_Paul Posts: 277
    Most modern bikes will make more noise from the chain and tyres from the exhausts, they can be too quiet, if anything when commuting on one, my beef is with twunts who pose about at 10000 revs with race pipes or the Ewan wannabes on their GS's with an exhaust that makes them sound like a Heinkel. The old saying that "Loud pipes save lives" does have some mileage in it. A lot of newer bikes have valves in the exhaust that can quieten the exhaust to a large degree when you're going slowly.

    I work in a place that tunes cars, for example, on Friday I was driving a 500 bhp Supra that was entirely unobtrusive for pootling about, bit of a throaty growl, but no louder than a bus, it's only when you open the taps that it makes much noise, in the event, it passed it's MOT quite comfortably, your average boy racer with his £35 quid ebay back box on his 1.0 Corsa will be much more annoying.

    Harleys amaze me, as a lot of them have exhausts that are basically empty pipes, and they sound like a tractor with a broken manifold.
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  • meanredspider
    meanredspider Posts: 12,337
    Big_Paul wrote:
    Harleys amaze me, as a lot of them have exhausts that are basically empty pipes, and they sound like a tractor with a broken manifold.

    There was a guy riding through the hospital complex on his Harley late the other night and I could tell that he was trying (and failing) to keep his bike quiet as the exhaust noise bounced off the many buildings.

    I did feel like calling to him "Loud exhausts don't seem so clever now, do they?"
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  • The Rookie
    The Rookie Posts: 27,812
    Regulation 54 of the constriction and use regulations, it's illegal for a car or bike exhaust to be modified so that it produces more noise than first manufactured (noting that date of manufacture can be a bit complex) so however quiet if is, making it noisier is illegal.
    No UK police force currently actively enforces this though!
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  • tangled_metal
    tangled_metal Posts: 4,021
    There's also boxes that use internal baffles to create a kind of back pressure in the box which sends the gas flow straight out of the box without the sound reduction. This is designed to happen at higher revs than you'd use in bike exhaust tests. In the test the gas flow is such that you get noise reduction due to the contorted gas flow.

    This is a good idea provided you don't get the revs up high enough. But I'm sure you'll get some who gun it to get the noise.

    This is all a simplistic explanation as told to me years ago by someone in the business. Possibly not fully remembered correctly. It doesn't fully explain all noisy bike exhausts though. Harleys are a beast of a bike for noise at time.

    As annoying as bike noise is I'm more concerned about riding styles. Devil's bridge area around Kirby Lonsdale area is full of idiots on super sports in full race leathers riding like on a race track. Not all of them but there's enough around for me to resent all the "think bike" signs dotted liberally around the area. Seriously it's not me that needs to do the thinking! I'll put up with noise but I'll never want to accept dangerous bikers in these honey pot areas.
  • andcp
    andcp Posts: 644
    The Rookie wrote:
    Regulation 54 of the constriction and use regulations, it's illegal for a car or bike exhaust to be modified so that it produces more noise than first manufactured (noting that date of manufacture can be a bit complex) so however quiet if is, making it noisier is illegal.
    No UK police force currently actively enforces this though!
    Send 'em to Derbyshire...
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  • navt
    navt Posts: 374
    I'm more annoyed at those damn e-scooters. I'd much rather know what's around me by noise even before I've clocked them.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Loud pipes save lives ....
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • fat daddy
    fat daddy Posts: 2,605
    Loud pipes save lives ....

    only of the people that you don't want to save the life of because of the noise they make :? ... its the ultimate Irony
  • cruff
    cruff Posts: 1,518
    Big_Paul wrote:
    Most modern bikes will make more noise from the chain and tyres from the exhausts, they can be too quiet, if anything when commuting on one, my beef is with twunts who pose about at 10000 revs with race pipes or the Ewan wannabes on their GS's with an exhaust that makes them sound like a Heinkel. The old saying that "Loud pipes save lives" does have some mileage in it. A lot of newer bikes have valves in the exhaust that can quieten the exhaust to a large degree when you're going slowly.

    I work in a place that tunes cars, for example, on Friday I was driving a 500 bhp Supra that was entirely unobtrusive for pootling about, bit of a throaty growl, but no louder than a bus, it's only when you open the taps that it makes much noise, in the event, it passed it's MOT quite comfortably, your average boy racer with his £35 quid ebay back box on his 1.0 Corsa will be much more annoying.

    Harleys amaze me, as a lot of them have exhausts that are basically empty pipes, and they sound like a tractor with a broken manifold.
    My brother lives in Melbourne and (apparently) has the most powerful Supra in Victoria. I say 'apparently' because he bores the ever-loving sh1t out of me whenever he talks about it, so I get my own back by boring the ever-loving sh1t out of him by going on about bikes.

    I do know one thing - when I've been in it whilst he's driving it, it's fucking loud. Especially in the tunnel south of Melbourne going out towards the suburbs.
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  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    fat daddy wrote:
    Loud pipes save lives ....

    only of the people that you don't want to save the life of because of the noise they make :? ... its the ultimate Irony


    So you're saying it's ok for/that you want people to be killed on the roads? Seriously?
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • fat daddy
    fat daddy Posts: 2,605
    fat daddy wrote:
    Loud pipes save lives ....

    So you're saying it's ok for/that you want people to be killed on the roads? Seriously?


    no of course not seriously .. I ride around on a Thruxton with aftermarket pipes that pop and split flames on the overrun .. my bike before that the exhaust was carbon of the purest quality, rolled out on the thigh of an English Rose ... such was the delicacy of this exhaust when it popped it used to frighten the crap out of me.

    what I am saying is ... most of the time people lay in bed at 2am in the morning listening to a bike 3 miles away having the tits strangled off of it and wishing the rider would be taken out by the night bus .. its Ironic that its the loudness of exhaust that's saving his life and stopping the bus from taking him out.

    whilst you are online though ... check out Wikipedia .. it has an entry for "Black Comedy" ... nothing to do with Will Smith

    A black comedy (or dark comedy) is a comic work that employs morbid humor, which, in its simplest form, is humor that makes light of subject matter usually considered taboo. Black humor corresponds to the earlier concept of gallows humor. Black comedy is often controversial due to its subject matter
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,562
    fat daddy wrote:
    I ride around on a Thruxton with aftermarket pipes that pop and split flames on the overrun.
    I've had a few old Triumphs (60s variety) that would spit flames on a standard exhaust. One night I had a kid on a scooter following me a bit too close for comfort, after a while he dropped back quite some distance. At the next set of lights he pulled up next to me looking a bit worried and told me there was fire coming out of my exhaust. Did make me chuckle.
  • arthur_scrimshaw
    arthur_scrimshaw Posts: 2,596
    fat daddy wrote:
    TGOTB wrote:
    elbowloh wrote:
    Out of interest, anyone know what causes the popping?

    unburnt fuel in the exhaust ...

    Many reasons for it being there, some are due to bad tuning, ie removing the re-circ DV so the ECU is expecting more air than its getting as you close the throttle and to much fuel is injected. Using a FPR to massively increase baseline pressure so it over fuels at low revs in compensation for high rev application etc etc

    But then there is the natural tuning down sides :- Over lap in the valves opening ie aggressive cams, so its already letting in fuel before its expelled the gas ... needed for high RPM power. Traction control cutting out the sparks on injectors

    Hmm.. you seem to know a lot about engine tuning. You aren't Vtech come back to haunt us are you?
  • fat daddy
    fat daddy Posts: 2,605
    Veronese68 wrote:
    I've had a few old Triumphs (60s variety.


    ahh, proper Triumphs .. would love an old triumph, but have enough toys that take up my time and as much as the new ones don't have that same allure as the old school, they are a lot easier to maintain .... although I do feel a bit of a fake riding around on something that has disguised the injectors as carbs and removed the fast idle setting from the ECU and turned it into a switch on the side that mimics a choke :D
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,562
    Haha, didn't realise they had a fake choke. My last one was in daily use for about 5 years, quite reliable with electronic ignition. The current one has been in this state for about 8 years now, but it encourages me to cycle more as its' a bit of a bugger to start.
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  • fat daddy
    fat daddy Posts: 2,605
    Naked bikes do have a charm about them :D ... that one looks easy to keep clean ... out of interest what is it meant to be a bonnyville ?
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    fat daddy wrote:
    Naked bikes do have a charm about them :D ... that one looks easy to keep clean ... out of interest what is it meant to be a bonnyville ?

    "e"
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    fat daddy wrote:
    fat daddy wrote:
    Loud pipes save lives ....

    So you're saying it's ok for/that you want people to be killed on the roads? Seriously?


    no of course not seriously .. I ride around on a Thruxton with aftermarket pipes that pop and split flames on the overrun .. my bike before that the exhaust was carbon of the purest quality, rolled out on the thigh of an English Rose ... such was the delicacy of this exhaust when it popped it used to frighten the crap out of me.

    what I am saying is ... most of the time people lay in bed at 2am in the morning listening to a bike 3 miles away having the tits strangled off of it and wishing the rider would be taken out by the night bus .. its Ironic that its the loudness of exhaust that's saving his life and stopping the bus from taking him out.

    whilst you are online though ... check out Wikipedia .. it has an entry for "Black Comedy" ... nothing to do with Will Smith

    A black comedy (or dark comedy) is a comic work that employs morbid humor, which, in its simplest form, is humor that makes light of subject matter usually considered taboo. Black humor corresponds to the earlier concept of gallows humor. Black comedy is often controversial due to its subject matter

    Cool - thank you for that -I shall do some research later. I may be able to even make this "black humour" work in other aspects of my life.

    It's an intriguing thing.
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • fat daddy
    fat daddy Posts: 2,605
    thankyou .. I typed bonnie, bonny, bonie, bony, boney, bonney ... and none of them looked right .... couldn't figure it out.

    "e" ..... damn !
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,562
    fat daddy wrote:
    Naked bikes do have a charm about them :D ... that one looks easy to keep clean ... out of interest what is it meant to be a bonnyville ?
    It's a TR6 which is pretty much the same as a Bonneville but single carb rather than twin. Much like this one which was sold to fund the Ducati.
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    The Ducati was then sold a few years later to buy the current one. The current one is very easy to keep clean as I never take it out in the rain.
  • secretsam
    secretsam Posts: 5,117
    Right, so back to anti-social twunts, and enough of the homoerotic biker love-in.

    What are worse: Harley noise makers or thosevile 3 wheel scooters?

    It's just a hill. Get over it.
  • Matthewfalle
    Matthewfalle Posts: 17,380
    Veronese68 wrote:
    fat daddy wrote:
    Naked bikes do have a charm about them :D ... that one looks easy to keep clean ... out of interest what is it meant to be a bonnyville ?
    It's a TR6 which is pretty much the same as a Bonneville but single carb rather than twin. Much like this one which was sold to fund the Ducati.
    DSCN0032.jpg
    The Ducati was then sold a few years later to buy the current one. The current one is very easy to keep clean as I never take it out in the rain.


    Any chance you could remove a couple of strokes out of those engines and turn them into proper motorbikes?
    Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am

    De Sisti wrote:
    This is one of the silliest threads I've come across. :lol:

    Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honour :D
    smithy21 wrote:

    He's right you know.
  • veronese68
    veronese68 Posts: 27,562
    SecretSam wrote:
    Right, so back to anti-social twunts, and enough of the homoerotic biker love-in.

    What are worse: Harley noise makers or thosevile 3 wheel scooters?
    Three wheeled Harley's.
  • meanredspider
    meanredspider Posts: 12,337
    Veronese68 wrote:
    SecretSam wrote:
    Right, so back to anti-social twunts, and enough of the homoerotic biker love-in.

    What are worse: Harley noise makers or thosevile 3 wheel scooters?
    Three wheeled Harley's.

    Two three-wheeled Harleys :D
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