Interesting social observation
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I'll always stop and see if see if someone is ok whether they be a pro or a biffer because it's the nice and right thing to do, it's nice and I would want someone to help TDV or the Bambini if they were ever stuck.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:I'll always stop and see if see if someone is ok whether they be a pro or a biffer because it's the nice and right thing to do, it's nice and I would want someone to help TDV or the Bambini if they were ever stuck.
That's the reason I stop and offer help. I'd want somebody to do the same for my wife or sons if they were stuck. Couple of times I've waved down drivers who appeared unaware they were driving on a flat tyre. On both occasions the driver was female, and grateful for help changing the wheel. The most recent didn't know where the spare wheel was or how to remove it 0 -
Met the guys from Ronde in the cafe yesterday. Very sociable and spoke about how easy going and inclusive they are.
Maybe they never realised help was wanted.Trek,,,, too cool for school ,, apparently0 -
That pretty much sums things up for me.Slowbike wrote:Asking if someone is ok is just a decent thing to do and you might just be grateful of someone doing the same for you one day.0 -
I always slow up and enquire: after all it's the polite and sensible thing to do. As others have pointed out, doing as you wish to be done to isn't confined to Buddhists.
I do, however, have a less than happy memory of a serious cyclist whom I found in difficulties hobbling along with his bike whilst I was driving to a meeting. I stopped; put his bike in the back of my SUV; drove him to his RV with his friends, some 5-6 miles out of my way; and took his bike out of the car far him. And he uttered not one word of thanks.0 -
In many states in the US, you are required by law to stop for a vehicle accident if help isn't being rendered or the police called yet.
I assume since here bikes fall under cars in road law that you'd have to do the same if nobody had arrived.
As for a "mechanical" or flat tire issue? I usually slow, call ahead. If they say "got it", I move on. If they hesitate or don't answer, I stop and ask again.
I could understand a full on "team" or large club not stopping. What are you going to do? Have the entire group of 10 people stop at one time? Drop a person off like a honking goose going down and catching back up later?
On your own though, you should probably check on a mechanical. A flat can be changed by a competent person in about 5 minutes. 5 minutes will not ruin a ride and likely you'll have a good time meeting someone new.0 -
mcxfisher wrote:
I do, however, have a less than happy memory of a serious cyclist whom I found in difficulties hobbling along with his bike whilst I was driving to a meeting. I stopped; put his bike in the back of my SUV; drove him to his RV with his friends, some 5-6 miles out of my way; and took his bike out of the car far him. And he uttered not one word of thanks.
Clubbies, eh.....Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:mcxfisher wrote:
I do, however, have a less than happy memory of a serious cyclist whom I found in difficulties hobbling along with his bike whilst I was driving to a meeting. I stopped; put his bike in the back of my SUV; drove him to his RV with his friends, some 5-6 miles out of my way; and took his bike out of the car far him. And he uttered not one word of thanks.
Clubbies, eh.....
So you think the fact that he 'may have' been in a club (despite no evidence being offered to support that notion), was the reason he offered no thanks? Or was he just a tw@t?
Your anti-club crusade is as baffling as it is tiresome as it is downright, utterly stupid. You're a military hard man in an 'elite military race team' (definitely not a club), so grow the fk up.0 -
Are you in a club Imposter?Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:Are you in a club Imposter?
I'll leave you guessing, if you don't mind. My point is that being in a club is utterly irrelevant to this topic - but you already know that.0 -
Stopped a few years ago for a bloke with a puncture. He had everything apart from tyre levers and was trying to remove the tyre with a twenty pence coin. So I punched him in the face and rode off.
Just kidding. I changed his inner tube for him whilst he tried to ebb the flow of the blood pouring from his fingers. Also told him to use a qr skewer if he did the same thing again.
His mate had actually abandoned him. His mate was in a club. I know that cos I know the guy.0 -
I think you're more likely to be offered assistance by lone riders than you are by a group of them. There's a term for that, can't remember what it is though.0
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Lack of witnesses ??0
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The bystander effect/bystander apathy. People are less likely to offer help the more bystanders there are0
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if someones in need of help I'd help, whether bein part of a group or not... I've done it a few times and have even supplied decent inner tubes or tyre boots to get them home.
if they can't be arsed to remove a tyre because they don't want to get their hands dirty, they frankly need to smarten up.
some members of my club cant even fix a puncture in under 10 mins..... which worries me a bit.0 -
As (iirc) I said earlier - depends on the situation - if you're in the middle of nowhere and the person looks like they haven't got things in hand then anyone - no matter what they're doing - should offer assistance.burnthesheep wrote:I could understand a full on "team" or large club not stopping. What are you going to do? Have the entire group of 10 people stop at one time? Drop a person off like a honking goose going down and catching back up later?
If you're in the middle of town and you're on a TTT then fair enough - don't - there's plenty of other help around and it's not difficult for the stranded to get help.
On club rides we've always checked if riders on the side of the road are ok - even if there's a few of them waiting - they might be struggling or not have the tools required - it's just polite to do so.
I know people who've stopped on TTs to help another rider - forgoing their own time - although usually it's just a shout to check they're ok and note to head back to them after the finish if they're a long way off...0 -
Imposter wrote:Matthewfalle wrote:Are you in a club Imposter?
I'll leave you guessing, if you don't mind. My point is that being in a club is utterly irrelevant to this topic - but you already know that.
That's a yes then.
Today I went out on my bicycle and passed in opposite directions 4 or 5 clubbies.
Its glorious here, so no reason at all to be miserable.
Faces like slapped backsides all of them, not one even acknowledged my "morning" and they pedalled their mudguard shod full winter kit on their bodies onwards in the dry glorious sunshine no wind weather.
Glad I'm not with them.
Clubbies, eh.
And yes - it is relevant to this topic. This topic is all about social attitudes, helping fellow cyclists and have basic manners and kindness disappeared from society. It seems from all the posts above from clubbies not stopping or caring that yes, clubbi-ism is a relevant part.Postby team47b » Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:53 am
De Sisti wrote:
This is one of the silliest threads I've come across.
Recognition at last Matthew, well done!, a justified honoursmithy21 wrote:
He's right you know.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:Faces like slapped backsides all of them, not one even acknowledged my "morning"
They obviously knew it was you. I'd have done the same, tbh.
There's no evidence that 'being in a club' is a reaon for any of this behaviour, but do please continue with your trolling.0 -
Matthewfalle wrote:Today I went out on my bicycle and passed in opposite directions 4 or 5 clubbies.
Its glorious here, so no reason at all to be miserable.
Faces like slapped backsides all of them, not one even acknowledged my "morning" and they pedalled their mudguard shod full winter kit on their bodies onwards in the dry glorious sunshine no wind weather.
Glad I'm not with them.
Clubbies, eh.
And yes - it is relevant to this topic. This topic is all about social attitudes, helping fellow cyclists and have basic manners and kindness disappeared from society. It seems from all the posts above from clubbies not stopping or caring that yes, clubbi-ism is a relevant part.
Ok - so you recognised they had faces like slapped backsides but couldn't count if it was 4 or 5 of them.
4 or 5 is such a small number to count you should be able to say which it is - I'd understand you it was more than a dozen ..
So I call "Didn't happen" - not as you imply anyway.
and as for the suggestion that all Clubbies not stopping or caring - I dispute that claim - granted, a few may not stop or check - but IMEE - they do - even to the detriment of their entry into a TT if nescersary.0 -
I agree with matthewfalle, if a large club ride passes you might get a nod from 1 or 2 people at a push.
but solo riders wearing team (usuallysky) kit are definitely the worst for being too pro to say hello.0 -
Well as much as it sounds like Mathew is lying .... and I do believe that is the case, but a troll gotta troll .... I never understand how people cant conceive that when someone passes you in the opposite direction its a closing speed of 30mph ... there is wind noise, there is freewheel noise, you will say hello about 8meters from them ... that's gives them about 1.5 seconds to realise you are talking to them and respond ..... lets say they realised you were talking to them at a bout 4 meters from you ... closing speed still 13m/s .. they open there mouth - 2 meters, start to say good morning .. 0 meters ... finish saying good morning - 4 meters .... behind you in a noise of wind of road and gears
seriously ???? ..... this is why I think you are lying ... or stupid0 -
I dealt with similar - only this was the chain off the inside of the chainring. I passed the lone female on a not very remote more and asked if she needed help. She said she did and I sorted the issue out but she kept going on about her husband being nearby on the road and how maybe he'd come past shortly and then started to head off before I'd even got my hands clean which I kind of think is a bit rude. A lot rude would have been for me to point out that I didn't fancy her and not all blokes are evil and she was well within her rights not to have said yes when I asked if she wanted help! I didn't of course as I am at least a bit gentlemanly! If I'd followed this one she'd have been onto the Police as soon as she had signal!The Rookie wrote:The only person I've asked who needed help was a solo female, chain off the outside of the cassette and jammed between it and frame.
Had to remove the wheel to free it, put it back together for her, the high stop was too far out, so suggested she didn't use the highest gear until she had it seen to.
Followed her for about 4 miles (a mile extra from when I would normally turn off) to the edge of town to make sure she was OK. Truly believe in what goes around comes around!Faster than a tent.......0 -
fat daddy wrote:Well as much as it sounds like Mathew is lying .... and I do believe that is the case, but a troll gotta troll .... I never understand how people cant conceive that when someone passes you in the opposite direction its a closing speed of 30mph ... there is wind noise, there is freewheel noise, you will say hello about 8meters from them ... that's gives them about 1.5 seconds to realise you are talking to them and respond ..... lets say they realised you were talking to them at a bout 4 meters from you ... closing speed still 13m/s .. they open there mouth - 2 meters, start to say good morning .. 0 meters ... finish saying good morning - 4 meters .... behind you in a noise of wind of road and gears
seriously ???? ..... this is why I think you are lying ... or stupid
I would say Matthew is telling the truth. But the reason no club riders acknowledge him is that they all know and recognise him as someone who has an irrational hatred of club riders so they blank him.Faster than a tent.......0 -
Rolf F wrote:I passed the lone female on a not very remote more and asked if she needed help. She said she did and I sorted the issue out but she kept going on about her husband being nearby on the road and how maybe he'd come past shortly and then started to head off before I'd even got my hands clean which I kind of think is a bit rude. A lot rude would have been for me to point out that I didn't fancy her and not all blokes are evil and she was well within her rights not to have said yes when I asked if she wanted help! I didn't of course as I am at least a bit gentlemanly! If I'd followed this one she'd have been onto the Police as soon as she had signal!
Sorry state of affairs where blokes are villified before we even open our mouths. Whilst it's not "our" fault - it's not the fault of the women if they feel a bit vulnerable around us.
Fortunately I've not had that experience - probably because I look too old to be a threat!
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Slowbike wrote:Rolf F wrote:I passed the lone female on a not very remote more and asked if she needed help. She said she did and I sorted the issue out but she kept going on about her husband being nearby on the road and how maybe he'd come past shortly and then started to head off before I'd even got my hands clean which I kind of think is a bit rude. A lot rude would have been for me to point out that I didn't fancy her and not all blokes are evil and she was well within her rights not to have said yes when I asked if she wanted help! I didn't of course as I am at least a bit gentlemanly! If I'd followed this one she'd have been onto the Police as soon as she had signal!
Sorry state of affairs where blokes are villified before we even open our mouths. Whilst it's not "our" fault - it's not the fault of the women if they feel a bit vulnerable around us.
Fortunately I've not had that experience - probably because I look too old to be a threat!
Indeed; though I'm not sure that I'm that threatening either! Odd thing is, if she was worried, she could have just said she was fine and I'd have happily sodded off rather than get my fingers all oily and scuffed up because she hadn't got her limit screws set correctly. I was happy to set her on her way but I'd have thought that the time to perceive me as a threat should surely have gone once I'd provided her with a functioning means of escape!Faster than a tent.......0 -
Rolf F wrote:Slowbike wrote:Rolf F wrote:I passed the lone female on a not very remote more and asked if she needed help. She said she did and I sorted the issue out but she kept going on about her husband being nearby on the road and how maybe he'd come past shortly and then started to head off before I'd even got my hands clean which I kind of think is a bit rude. A lot rude would have been for me to point out that I didn't fancy her and not all blokes are evil and she was well within her rights not to have said yes when I asked if she wanted help! I didn't of course as I am at least a bit gentlemanly! If I'd followed this one she'd have been onto the Police as soon as she had signal!
Sorry state of affairs where blokes are villified before we even open our mouths. Whilst it's not "our" fault - it's not the fault of the women if they feel a bit vulnerable around us.
Fortunately I've not had that experience - probably because I look too old to be a threat!
Indeed; though I'm not sure that I'm that threatening either! Odd thing is, if she was worried, she could have just said she was fine and I'd have happily sodded off rather than get my fingers all oily and scuffed up because she hadn't got her limit screws set correctly. I was happy to set her on her way but I'd have thought that the time to perceive me as a threat should surely have gone once I'd provided her with a functioning means of escape!
Perhaps she thought you'd want to ride with her for a bit ...
Tricky option - between accepting help from a potential threat and being left stranded - with perhaps a greater threat on it's way?0 -
Not sure what the OP wants. Seems like a pointless dig at a bunch of riders. Only the front rider could safely bring the bunch to a halt and only the rear rider can safely drop off to check and they only have a couple of seconds to work it out. We don't know if the woman looked distressed, the situation or the riding skills of the bunch. A big bunch takes a lot of time and effort to stop and restart. It's not like a single rider stopping.
Ronde and all Edinburgh bike clubs are perfectly civilised and would certainly stop for riders in distress in remote areas. But it may be unrealistic for a chaingang to spend two minutes stopping on the off chance someone needs help. If OP is upset then I suggest he writes to club secretary rather than posting here. Or have a puncture in France, wait for a club ride to come through, and see if they stop. Good luck with that.
Regards, Alan0 -
Why does it matter to you what type of bikes they were riding? :roll:Matthewfalle wrote:..... and they pedalled their mudguard shod full winter kit on their bodies onwards in the dry glorious sunshine no wind weather.0 -
I'm currently in the south of France cycling and the people here treat cyclists very well. It's cycling country.
Back in London it's like fighting for your right to exist.0
