Power Meter - Crank loyalty

jacksoneaker

I've been convinced that I need a power meter. I'm either going wth the 4iiii or stages.

Because I'm always trying to n+1, should I adopt a new crank style that I'll be able to transfer across in the future? My current bike is 105 5800.

I don't want to acquire a cross bike an not be able to get power off of it. Is shimano a versatile enough system that I should commit to it?

Thanks,
Jackson

sloppyschleckonds

My first considerations if buying a PM would be accuracy & reliability.

buckmulligan

jacksoneaker wrote:

Is shimano a versatile enough system that I should commit to it?

Yes, virtually every frame out there will support a Shimano Hollowtech chainset through one adapter or another.

jacksoneaker wrote:

I'm either going wth the 4iiii or stages.

This is the bigger issue; I appreciate budget is always a concern, but if you're already going to invest a considerable sum in a power meter, honestly you are much better off saving a little bit more and buying something that's actually going to measure whole power rather than left-only.

okgo

Whoever has convinced the public that Stages is a product worth buying, presumably their marketing director, he needs to be knighted. Never before has something so shit been sought out by so many people. It's incredible.

Grill

Buy a Power2Max Rotor 3d24 and just swap it across your bikes.

fishyweb

Or get a PowerPod. Easily transferred between bikes.

Grill

fishyweb wrote:

Or get a PowerPod. Easily transferred between bikes.

charlie_potatoes

okgo wrote:

Whoever has convinced the public that Stages is a product worth buying, presumably their marketing director, he needs to be knighted. Never before has something so shoot been sought out by so many people. It's incredible.

It probably has more to do with so many people having different opinions to you.
Also it is probably an American in charge of marketing which would mean it would be inappropriate to even speak of knighthoods.

pastryboy

Get the 4iiii not the Stages - the latter is blighted with issues.

If you're concerned about Left/Right balance then have a go on a wattbike and see if you have an imbalance issue - 4iiii will let you account for it if you want to via its software.

For me swapping a chainset between bikes wouldn't be practical so, knowing I don't have any imablance issue worth noting, left crank only is a smart option.

fishyweb

Grill wrote:

fishyweb wrote:

Or get a PowerPod. Easily transferred between bikes.

No, really, you can transfer it between bikes really easily.

And, by the way, it is a pretty good power meter as well. There may be some who would rather pay several times as much money for a direct force meter but, if they are outputting the same numbers, I frankly don't see the point.

Grill

fishyweb wrote:

Grill wrote:

fishyweb wrote:

Or get a PowerPod. Easily transferred between bikes.

No, really, you can transfer it between bikes really easily.

And, by the way, it is a pretty good power meter as well. There may be some who would rather pay several times as much money for a direct force meter but, if they are outputting the same numbers, I frankly don't see the point.

I might trust an aerostick one day, but never that. Data quality is everything.

fishyweb

Agreed, and I'm very impressed with the quality of the PP's data.

Grill

In comparison to what?

frisbee

okgo wrote:

Whoever has convinced the public that Stages is a product worth buying, presumably their marketing director, he needs to be knighted. Never before has something so shoot been sought out by so many people. It's incredible.

Having had to grind a year old FSA crankset off a bike, any system based on Shimano crank would be a big plus for me.

Will my Quarq, with a similar tapered spline system, ever come off? Who knows!

If I get one for my good bike I'm tempted to just go Dura Ace.

fishyweb

Grill wrote:

In comparison to what?

To my effort output. Correlates very closely with sessions I've done on a Wattbike, and provides total power (unlike left-only meters). Others have done direct comparisons with DFPMs as well with very positive results (as I imagine you're aware).

Personally, I think folk can be too quick to dismiss innovations like this, just because it is different to some perceived norm. Which is fine of course. In the meantime, I'm very happy with the results, and with the surplus hundreds of pounds which are still in my bank account.

Grill

fishyweb wrote:

Grill wrote:

In comparison to what?

To my effort output. Correlates very closely with sessions I've done on a Wattbike, and provides total power (unlike left-only meters). Others have done direct comparisons with DFPMs as well with very positive results (as I imagine you're aware).

Personally, I think folk can be too quick to dismiss innovations like this, just because it is different to some perceived norm. Which is fine of course. In the meantime, I'm very happy with the results, and with the surplus hundreds of pounds which are still in my bank account.

If you'd have said that you can't speak to the accuracy, but you're happy with it nonetheless, then fine. But seriously trying to tell me that you think the PowerPod has qualitative data based on RPE and Wattbike numbers? That's just insane.

buckmulligan

Haha, this thread is great.

Tell me, how well does the PowerPod work on the turbo trainer?

sloppyschleckonds

fishyweb wrote:

Grill wrote:

In comparison to what?

To my effort output. Correlates very closely with sessions I've done on a Wattbike, and provides total power (unlike left-only meters). Others have done direct comparisons with DFPMs as well with very positive results (as I imagine you're aware).

Personally, I think folk can be too quick to dismiss innovations like this, just because it is different to some perceived norm. Which is fine of course. In the meantime, I'm very happy with the results, and with the surplus hundreds of pounds which are still in my bank account.

lol

jgsi

fishyweb wrote:

Grill wrote:

In comparison to what?

To my effort output. Correlates very closely with sessions I've done on a Wattbike, and provides total power (unlike left-only meters). Others have done direct comparisons with DFPMs as well with very positive results (as I imagine you're aware).

Personally, I think folk can be too quick to dismiss innovations like this, just because it is different to some perceived norm. Which is fine of course. In the meantime, I'm very happy with the results, and with the surplus hundreds of pounds which are still in my bank account.

If they were that good bud, rest assured Zwift would be all over them .. but they aint... why do you run anyways and need a power meter?

On a side note, am I the only f ucker who has had absolutely no problem with a Stages crank?

okgo

You do have a problem, like every other owner out there. Its spitting out a number based on two legs being identical, which most aint.

jacksoneaker

JGSI wrote:

fishyweb wrote:

Grill wrote:

In comparison to what?

To my effort output. Correlates very closely with sessions I've done on a Wattbike, and provides total power (unlike left-only meters). Others have done direct comparisons with DFPMs as well with very positive results (as I imagine you're aware).

Personally, I think folk can be too quick to dismiss innovations like this, just because it is different to some perceived norm. Which is fine of course. In the meantime, I'm very happy with the results, and with the surplus hundreds of pounds which are still in my bank account.

If they were that good bud, rest assured Zwift would be all over them .. but they aint... why do you run anyways and need a power meter?

On a side note, am I the only f ucker who has had absolutely no problem with a Stages crank?

Do you have a stages? Or just see sound logic?