Why do so many stop riding through the winter

imposter2.0

ZMC888 wrote:

I''ve had like 4 flus and probably over 40 colds. Broken bones, concussions, near death experiences, drug psychosis. I've also had the measles, mumps and glandular fever.

Some of that might explain why you're acting like a petulant man-baby. Grow the fck up.

jgsi

His name is a mind bending drug used in the 60s

cougie

All that illness AND anger issues too.

But no flu yet...

ZMC888

ChrisAOnABike wrote:

ZMC888 wrote:

You really are the worst kind o arrogant rubber.

You really are rather rude and unpleasant.

So I had the flu and got over it in 4-5 days. Sorry that your immune system is shite compared to mine, but there's no need to get all worked up over it.

You're right, of course, I didn't consider the possibility that you may be Superman. This would also account for your relaxed attitude to cycling on ice.

I also wasn't aware, as it happens, that there's a flu virus type C.

However, it's relatively mild, and rare compared with types A and B. Maybe that's what you had. Most people that get flu have it much, much worse than you claim to have, and that's why quite a few of them die.

In any case, I'm only really taking issue with your assertion that colds and flu are the same virus (or essentially the same, as you said, whatever that means). They are not.

Oh, so now you admit you're wrong, but I'm the asshole? :twisted:
Of course I know that flu can be deadly, I've studied enough history to have read about Spanish flu. Children often get all kinds of cold and flu type viruses, yet they don't die, we manage it with anti-virals as a last case resort. Nobody knows what they are because we don't want to blood test them. There is no one-size-fits-all flu virus where everyone 'must' have felt as bad as you did or else it must have been a cold.

You really need to get over yourself.

ZMC888

Imposter wrote:

ZMC888 wrote:

I''ve had like 4 flus and probably over 40 colds. Broken bones, concussions, near death experiences, drug psychosis. I've also had the measles, mumps and glandular fever.

Some of that might explain why you're acting like a petulant man-baby. Grow the fck up.

But that accolade has already been owned by you.

chrisaonabike

ZMC888 wrote:

You really need to get over yourself.

Quite possibly. Although you might be confusing me with someone that gives a damn whether you've had flu or not.

ZMC888 wrote:

Oh, so now you admit you're wrong, but I'm the asshole?

Goodness, I wasn't expecting insight.

It's quite easy to stop being wrong, you just need to do a little research and admit it. Stopping being an asshole, however...

However, as I said,

I'm only really taking issue with your assertion that colds and flu are the same virus (or 'essentially the same', as you said, whatever that means). They are not.

I note you're ignoring this point.

How's your blood pressure tonight?

slowmart

Hard physical exertion in low temperatures can damage your lungs

http://www.snowbikers.com/articles/cold_air.html

http://www.livestrong.com/article/40655 ... our-lungs/

Fuc all do to do my post count, contribution, life experience, money I've made, lost - women I've shagged vaginally/anally, pies consumed, cars crashed, biscuit preference....

But I do subscribe to the view that everyone is allowed to voice an opinion without the need to throw insults.

That just makes you look like a cunt

ZMC888

Ice riding tips:

If the weather forecast is below 5c don't ride a road bike, there may be frost or ice in colder dips in the road, slick tires slip easily. Instead ride a mountain bike with a tread over 2.1 inches and knobbies. Also dress appropriately as one may do when skiing. Consider wearing some light weight elbow or knee pads/MTB/BMX or skate.

If you encounter ice: Do nothing, don't brake, don't turn, don't pedal, just coast straight ahead.

imposter2.0

ZMC888 wrote:

But that accolade has already been owned by you.

Even if that were true, you've just taken it to a new level. Congrats.

ZMC888

Slowmart wrote:

Hard physical exertion in low temperatures can damage your lungs

http://www.snowbikers.com/articles/cold_air.html

http://www.livestrong.com/article/40655 ... our-lungs/

Fuc all do to do my post count, contribution, life experience, money I've made, lost - women I've shagged vaginally/anally, pies consumed, cars crashed, biscuit preference....

But I do subscribe to the view that everyone is allowed to voice an opinion without the need to throw insults.

That just makes you look like a ****

Actually some evidence that exercising in the cold is good for you.
http://www.bicycling.com/training/health-fitness/how-cold-weather-might-supercharge-your-workout

shortfall

Slowmart wrote:

Hard physical exertion in low temperatures can damage your lungs

http://www.snowbikers.com/articles/cold_air.html

http://www.livestrong.com/article/40655 ... our-lungs/

Fuc all do to do my post count, contribution, life experience, money I've made, lost - women I've shagged vaginally/anally, pies consumed, cars crashed, biscuit preference....

But I do subscribe to the view that everyone is allowed to voice an opinion without the need to throw insults.

That just makes you look like a ****

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That made me chuckle.

ZMC888

Slowmart wrote:

Hard physical exertion in low temperatures can damage your lungs

http://www.snowbikers.com/articles/cold_air.html

http://www.livestrong.com/article/40655 ... our-lungs/

Fuc all do to do my post count, contribution, life experience, money I've made, lost - women I've shagged vaginally/anally, pies consumed, cars crashed, biscuit preference....

But I do subscribe to the view that everyone is allowed to voice an opinion without the need to throw insults.

That just makes you look like a ****

You got that so wrong.
The way this forum works is that only those with high post counts are allowed an opinion, others, no matter how relevant or even irrelevant are not given the time of day and are shouted down. Is it just another one user - ten accounts forums? The post frequency certainly suggests it.

This forum believes, riding in the winter is bad as you might hit ice and get hurt. It also thinks Strava is shit. Well that's hardly universal.

I'm a moderator on several forums. Never have I seen anyone attacked so much for having a useful relevant opinion. I'm simply fighting fire with fire. OK, I'm being bad, but no worse than the person that threw the first punch.

shortfall

ZMC888 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Hard physical exertion in low temperatures can damage your lungs

http://www.snowbikers.com/articles/cold_air.html

http://www.livestrong.com/article/40655 ... our-lungs/

Fuc all do to do my post count, contribution, life experience, money I've made, lost - women I've shagged vaginally/anally, pies consumed, cars crashed, biscuit preference....

But I do subscribe to the view that everyone is allowed to voice an opinion without the need to throw insults.

That just makes you look like a ****

You got that so wrong.
The way this forum works is that only those with high post counts are allowed an opinion, others, no matter how relevant or even irrelevant are not given the time of day and are shouted down. Is it just another one user - ten accounts forums? The post frequency certainly suggests it.

This forum believes, riding in the winter is bad as you might hit ice and get hurt. It also thinks Strava is shoot. Well that's hardly universal.

I'm a moderator on several forums. Never have I seen anyone attacked so much for having a useful relevant opinion. I'm simply fighting fire with fire. OK, I'm being bad, but no worse than the person that threw the first punch.

What are you going on about mate? This thread contains many and varied opinions on the merits or otherwise of riding through Winter. I'm new here with a very low post count and I've found people very friendly. Have you considered that it might be your debating style that's the problem here?

slowmart

ZMC888 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Hard physical exertion in low temperatures can damage your lungs

http://www.snowbikers.com/articles/cold_air.html

http://www.livestrong.com/article/40655 ... our-lungs/

Fuc all do to do my post count, contribution, life experience, money I've made, lost - women I've shagged vaginally/anally, pies consumed, cars crashed, biscuit preference....

But I do subscribe to the view that everyone is allowed to voice an opinion without the need to throw insults.

That just makes you look like a ****

Actually some evidence that exercising in the cold is good for you.
http://www.bicycling.com/training/health-fitness/how-cold-weather-might-supercharge-your-workout

Define cold? Temperatures are referenced in the links I've shared ?

We had a contributor on the forum espousing all sorts of "unconventional" views that in some cases defied proved science and facts who resided in Manchester.

ZMC888

Shortfall wrote:

ZMC888 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Hard physical exertion in low temperatures can damage your lungs

http://www.snowbikers.com/articles/cold_air.html

http://www.livestrong.com/article/40655 ... our-lungs/

Fuc all do to do my post count, contribution, life experience, money I've made, lost - women I've shagged vaginally/anally, pies consumed, cars crashed, biscuit preference....

But I do subscribe to the view that everyone is allowed to voice an opinion without the need to throw insults.

That just makes you look like a ****

You got that so wrong.
The way this forum works is that only those with high post counts are allowed an opinion, others, no matter how relevant or even irrelevant are not given the time of day and are shouted down. Is it just another one user - ten accounts forums? The post frequency certainly suggests it.

This forum believes, riding in the winter is bad as you might hit ice and get hurt. It also thinks Strava is shoot. Well that's hardly universal.

I'm a moderator on several forums. Never have I seen anyone attacked so much for having a useful relevant opinion. I'm simply fighting fire with fire. OK, I'm being bad, but no worse than the person that threw the first punch.

What are you going on about mate? This thread contains many and varied opinions on the merits or otherwise of riding through Winter. I'm new here with a very low post count and I've found people very friendly. Have you considered that it might be your debating style that's the problem here?

Hmm.
Good point. Imagine if you were let's day 18 years old and you really didn't know that much about cycling there'd be a whole friendly community just tripping over themselves to lend a hand and to offer advice.

However if you'd lived till middle age and lots of cycling experience, in a country for 15 years that is about 0 to -5c all winter that has sheet ice all winter and you've got a low post count and want to offer opinions on relevant threads, well then your gonna be told how wrong you are. Even by people who know far less than you do. They think they must know more, because they've been around longer and earnt their stripes.

Especially funny tell people they're wrong. On message boards people think that they can go for the jugular if you are newb. It's just that a message board isn't the real world.

ZMC888

Slowmart wrote:

ZMC888 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Hard physical exertion in low temperatures can damage your lungs

http://www.snowbikers.com/articles/cold_air.html

http://www.livestrong.com/article/40655 ... our-lungs/

Fuc all do to do my post count, contribution, life experience, money I've made, lost - women I've shagged vaginally/anally, pies consumed, cars crashed, biscuit preference....

But I do subscribe to the view that everyone is allowed to voice an opinion without the need to throw insults.

That just makes you look like a ****

Actually some evidence that exercising in the cold is good for you.
http://www.bicycling.com/training/health-fitness/how-cold-weather-might-supercharge-your-workout

Define cold? Temperatures are referenced in the links I've shared ?

We had a contributor on the forum espousing all sorts of "unconventional" views that in some cases defied proved science and facts who resided in Manchester.

Why don't you define low temperatures? You started it.

cougie

Does anyone look at post count? It doesnt even show on mine.

ZMC888

cougie wrote:

Does anyone look at post count? It doesnt even show on mine.

Maybe it's not post count, sometimes it's just name familiarity, has the same effect. 8)

shortfall

cougie wrote:

Does anyone look at post count? It doesnt even show on mine.

i

ZMC seemed to fly off the handle when someone called him out for his non sequitur that compared skiing and cycling. I don't think post count comes into it personally, either someone posts interesting stuff or offers thoughtful opinions that are well written or they don't. The end. We now have a thread that has descended into a dick measuring contest about flu and colds. Godwin's law dictates that Hitler will soon raise his ugly head. FWIW I hate riding in Winter but I respect those that get out and do it.

ZMC888

Shortfall wrote:

cougie wrote:

Does anyone look at post count? It doesnt even show on mine.

i

ZMC seemed to fly off the handle when someone called him out for his non sequitur that compared skiing and cycling. I don't think post count comes into it personally, either someone posts interesting stuff or offers thoughtful opinions that are well written or they don't. The end. We now have a thread that has descended into a dick measuring contest about flu and colds. Godwin's law dictates that Hitler will soon raise his ugly head. FWIW I hate riding in Winter but I respect those that get out and do it.

Good point. It wasn't really that though. It was someone only reading and quoting the first part of someone's post and ignoring the rest, then deliberately or ignorantly making the rest out of context. Someone that was just waiting to ambush a newb with a 'wrong opinion'. Someone trying to feel superior, but with no goddam right to be.

However, I'll chill out if others can. 8) 8)

shortfall

ZMC888 wrote:

Shortfall wrote:

cougie wrote:

Does anyone look at post count? It doesnt even show on mine.

i

ZMC seemed to fly off the handle when someone called him out for his non sequitur that compared skiing and cycling. I don't think post count comes into it personally, either someone posts interesting stuff or offers thoughtful opinions that are well written or they don't. The end. We now have a thread that has descended into a dick measuring contest about flu and colds. Godwin's law dictates that Hitler will soon raise his ugly head. FWIW I hate riding in Winter but I respect those that get out and do it.

Good point.

I'll chill out if others can. 8) 8)

slowmart

ZMC888 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

ZMC888 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Hard physical exertion in low temperatures can damage your lungs

http://www.snowbikers.com/articles/cold_air.html

http://www.livestrong.com/article/40655 ... our-lungs/

Fuc all do to do my post count, contribution, life experience, money I've made, lost - women I've shagged vaginally/anally, pies consumed, cars crashed, biscuit preference....

But I do subscribe to the view that everyone is allowed to voice an opinion without the need to throw insults.

That just makes you look like a ****

Actually some evidence that exercising in the cold is good for you.
http://www.bicycling.com/training/health-fitness/how-cold-weather-might-supercharge-your-workout

Define cold? Temperatures are referenced in the links I've shared ?

We had a contributor on the forum espousing all sorts of "unconventional" views that in some cases defied proved science and facts who resided in Manchester.

Why don't you define low temperatures? You started it.

Mmmm adversarial aren't you? If you think before you reply would mean you don't give the impression you can bend light in posting two replies to one post. See above for reference.

ZMC888

Slowmart wrote:

ZMC888 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

ZMC888 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

Hard physical exertion in low temperatures can damage your lungs

http://www.snowbikers.com/articles/cold_air.html

http://www.livestrong.com/article/40655 ... our-lungs/

Fuc all do to do my post count, contribution, life experience, money I've made, lost - women I've shagged vaginally/anally, pies consumed, cars crashed, biscuit preference....

But I do subscribe to the view that everyone is allowed to voice an opinion without the need to throw insults.

That just makes you look like a ****

Actually some evidence that exercising in the cold is good for you.
http://www.bicycling.com/training/health-fitness/how-cold-weather-might-supercharge-your-workout

Define cold? Temperatures are referenced in the links I've shared ?

We had a contributor on the forum espousing all sorts of "unconventional" views that in some cases defied proved science and facts who resided in Manchester.

Why don't you define low temperatures? You started it.

Mmmm adversarial aren't you? If you think before you reply would mean you don't give the impression you can bend light in posting two replies to one post. See above for reference.

You said cycling in low temperatures was bad for you because of two relevant links. Fine.
I said cycling in cold weather might be good for you due to one relevant link. Also fine.

I don't really understand how the jpg posting wins or solves any discussion or argument. If you like riding on Zwift all winter, that's great, but it bores me. I'd rather go swimming, do yoga or cycle outside.

People liking something you don't doesn't prevent you from liking it or doing it.

Why do argument losers on this forum always resort to jpegs?

slowmart

I've been riding carefully in sub zero temperatures for over twenty years. Below minus 4 and heavy exertion can permantley damage your lungs. The damage scars the lining of your lungs.

If you're innocent of this fact, at least you can consider the information or discard it. The same as other content on this forum without having to resort to insults.

ZMC888

Slowmart wrote:

I've been riding carefully in sub zero temperatures for over twenty years. Below minus 4 and heavy exertion can permantley damage your lungs. The damage scars the lining of your lungs.

If you're innocent of this fact, at least you can consider the information or discard it. The same as other content on this forum without having to resort to insults.

It's just not even relevant.

It's like saying sun exposure damages your skin...so cycle inside? Weak argument bro. Try harder.

imposter2.0

ZMC888 wrote:

Why do argument losers on this forum always resort to jpegs?

Possibly for the same reason that you resorted to absurd and near-comical levels of agressive, abusive language earlier? Just a thought.

slowmart

@ ZMC Does your tongue get stuck on glass in cold weather when you lick windows?

bondurant

ZMC888 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

I've been riding carefully in sub zero temperatures for over twenty years. Below minus 4 and heavy exertion can permantley damage your lungs. The damage scars the lining of your lungs.

If you're innocent of this fact, at least you can consider the information or discard it. The same as other content on this forum without having to resort to insults.

It's just not even relevant.

It's like saying sun exposure damages your skin...so cycle inside? Weak argument bro. Try harder.

When you cycle outside in the heat, you at least have the option of putting protection on your skin. So what is weak is the comparison, really.

ZMC888

Bondurant wrote:

ZMC888 wrote:

Slowmart wrote:

I've been riding carefully in sub zero temperatures for over twenty years. Below minus 4 and heavy exertion can permantley damage your lungs. The damage scars the lining of your lungs.

If you're innocent of this fact, at least you can consider the information or discard it. The same as other content on this forum without having to resort to insults.

It's just not even relevant.

It's like saying sun exposure damages your skin...so cycle inside? Weak argument bro. Try harder.

When you cycle outside in the heat, you at least have the option of putting protection on your skin. So what is weak is the comparison, really.

The studies are talking about native peoples living in high latitudes in temperatures down to -40c and sub zero most of the year doing heavy exercise and in super dry conditions.

I hardy think someone riding in the rainy humid UK at temperatures barely under zero are in a high risk category in an medical area that doesn't even sound like it has had proper detailed research. Be honest, it's just an angle of attack, that could be, but isn't really relevant.

ZMC888

Imposter wrote:

ZMC888 wrote:

Why do argument losers on this forum always resort to jpegs?

Possibly for the same reason that you resorted to absurd and near-comical levels of agressive, abusive language earlier? Just a thought.

Yes, but reactive, mostly not provocative.
There are many forums like this. Longer term members develop shared assumptions on what is 'correct' and are openly abusive to people on the forum that are new and don't share their view. They don't feel they are being abusive, more that they are defending their territory.

This often happens when forums don't have any clear direction from the owner or moderators.

This is a cycle forum where people should be able to discuss cycling, not some circle-jerk cyclist group where only one opinion is allowed on a whole range of core issues. Although people are more likely to tolerate a contrary opinion from a regular poster and abusive posts are also more tolerated from regular posters.

The problems I have here are....

-The consensus that carbon fibre is the best and only worthwhile frame material or going fast.
-Garmin products are all 5 star and beyond reproach.
and obviously many others....

and yes I want to challenge people, gauge a reaction and see how they respond.