Sugar daddy turned murderer.
Frank the tank
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So, this multi-millionaire property developer sets up his escort in a property and pays her circa £120k a year. This greedy trollop then decides to blackmail him by telling all to his wife/family. Talk about greed. He decides to bump her off and gets 25years.
The whole sorry story is pathetic, but even though it was a calculated murder does anyone on here think the threat of blackmail should have lead to some mitigation of the sentence?
Whist not condoning his actions I can understand how he became so desperate and feel 25years min is a bit excessive in this particular case.
The whole sorry story is pathetic, but even though it was a calculated murder does anyone on here think the threat of blackmail should have lead to some mitigation of the sentence?
Whist not condoning his actions I can understand how he became so desperate and feel 25years min is a bit excessive in this particular case.
Tail end Charlie
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Did you fall asleep in front of the TV and wake up when Hollyoaks was on and think it was the news?0
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All within a few miles of my house!0
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Even her mum thought she was a bit of a tw@t.0
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SmoggySteve wrote:Did you fall asleep in front of the TV and wake up when Hollyoaks was on and think it was the news?Tail end Charlie
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So your infidelity comes out through blackmail but by reporting it to police she gets jailed. Or you kill her, get jailed and it all comes out anyway. So the first option you might lose your family. Second option you lose your family, business/career and family. Hardly made a good choice there!
No he got what be deserved for the murder. His wife might have stayed with him if he owned up to his wife and reported the blackmail to the police. Do you think any wife or partner will want anything to do with a murderer? Blackmail is no mitigation IMO.0 -
Seems about right to me - premeditated murder - the only real mitigation was that he didn't want to be embarrassed.[Castle Donington Ladies FC - going up in '22]0
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Garry H wrote:Even her mum thought she was a bit of a tw@t.
oh dear this forum will be cut short if being a tw@t meant death by strangulation :shock:
the real shame is more murderers dont get 25years, bare in mind this guy will be out before he has reached retirement age, she on the other hand is dead and her daughter wont know her mother, any chance of this woman turning her life around is gone.0 -
mamba80 wrote:oh dear this forum will be cut short if being a tw@t meant death by strangulation :shock:
Have to agree with others. He was deceitful in setting her up, when the situation got out of his control he killed her. No consideration for others at any point, all about him. He deserves everything he got.0 -
Tangled Metal wrote:So your infidelity comes out through blackmail but by reporting it to police she gets jailed. Or you kill her, get jailed and it all comes out anyway. So the first option you might lose your family. Second option you lose your family, business/career and family. Hardly made a good choice there!
No he got what be deserved for the murder. His wife might have stayed with him if he owned up to his wife and reported the blackmail to the police. Do you think any wife or partner will want anything to do with a murderer? Blackmail is no mitigation IMO.
I will reiterate I don't condone his actions, no more than hers.Tail end Charlie
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Frank the tank wrote:I will reiterate I don't condone his actions, no more than hers.0
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I guess we'll disagree on this. Premeditated taking of his lover's life or murder was what he was found guilty of by a jury, beyond reasonable doubt. IIRC there's guidance in sentencing regulations that judges work to for the crime the defendant has been found guilty of. Those sentencing guidelines define what is acceptable mitigation. This obviously hasn't met tree criteria so the judge disregarded it.
If I'm right about this then the judge had very little leeway. The guy planned the murder. If he was under a degree of pressure that's his making. Besides that if it was such great pressure that he was unable to think straight, not in his right mind, then wouldn't the defence barrister argue this?
The guy is a property developer, not exactly a stress free occupation. Would such a successful businessman and property developer succumb to pressure of a mistress dropping him in it with his wife cause him to be unable to make rational decisions or to be culpable for his crime?
If you want to go down the route of time off for being in an uncomfortable situation then I wonder who else should have lesser sentences. I'm sure the infamous murderers would have reasons to reduce their time under this special pleading.
Guilty of a crime, sentence for the crime. Personally the only mitigation I reckon is valid is that which turns the murder charge into manslaughter.0 -
It's interesting how the cheating murderer gets described in the OP only as "multi-millionaire property developer" and the victim as "greedy trollop".0
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KingstonGraham wrote:It's interesting how the cheating murderer gets described in the OP only as "multi-millionaire property developer" and the victim as "greedy trollop".
He wasn't the first one she blackmailed, there were three others before him.BBC News wrote:Morgan, who had been seeing Miss Symonds for three years, knew she had sexually explicit photos and films of them having sex in his wife's home and the marital bed, and that she had previously successfully blackmailed at least three former clients.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38314421I've added a signature to prove it is still possible.0 -
Blackmail can go one of 3 ways..
1.) They cough up.
2.) They inform the police.
3.) They bump you off.
Dangerous game.Pinno, מלך אידיוט וחרא מכונאי0 -
redvee wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:It's interesting how the cheating murderer gets described in the OP only as "multi-millionaire property developer" and the victim as "greedy trollop".
He wasn't the first one she blackmailed, there were three others before him.BBC News wrote:Morgan, who had been seeing Miss Symonds for three years, knew she had sexually explicit photos and films of them having sex in his wife's home and the marital bed, and that she had previously successfully blackmailed at least three former clients.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-38314421
Who could have foreseen that someone who sleeps with you for money might not be entirely trustworthy. I don't think anyone would dispute the accuracy of the description of her.0 -
KingstonGraham wrote:It's interesting how the cheating murderer gets described in the OP only as "multi-millionaire property developer" and the victim as "greedy trollop".
I've never cheated on my wife, and I've never blackmailed anyone either. I was garnering opinion on here as to his sentence and whether anyone thought the blackmail threat constituted a mitigating circumstance.
To be honest perhaps the world is better off without the pair of them, as they both seem to have a pretty low moral compass.Tail end Charlie
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I guess nasty people are more likely to have nasty stuff happen to them. It's all a bit Darwin awards in action.Faster than a tent.......0
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Rolf F wrote:I guess nasty people are more likely to have nasty stuff happen to them. It's all a bit Darwin awards in action.Tail end Charlie
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Frank the tank wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:It's interesting how the cheating murderer gets described in the OP only as "multi-millionaire property developer" and the victim as "greedy trollop".
I've never cheated on my wife, and I've never blackmailed anyone either. I was garnering opinion on here as to his sentence and whether anyone thought the blackmail threat constituted a mitigating circumstance.
To be honest perhaps the world is better off without the pair of them, as they both seem to have a pretty low moral compass.
jeez you cant compare the 2 of them at all, he is a murderer, there is no worse crime, he has ended a life and robbed her daughter of a mother, you d not tell a 5 yo your better off without her would you? i dont know if you ve children but i doubt very much if you d the same opinion of her if it were your daughter?
these people she apparently did black mail, were perfectly happy xxxxing her, they knew full well it wasnt love but that didnt stop them cheating on their partners -
to me the women walking the street (or did Peter Sutcliff do Leeds a favour too?) or working as "escorts" are victims, they often have messed up minds and have made some very poor life choices, the men on the other hand are just thinking with their dciks.0 -
mamba80 wrote:Frank the tank wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:It's interesting how the cheating murderer gets described in the OP only as "multi-millionaire property developer" and the victim as "greedy trollop".
I've never cheated on my wife, and I've never blackmailed anyone either. I was garnering opinion on here as to his sentence and whether anyone thought the blackmail threat constituted a mitigating circumstance.
To be honest perhaps the world is better off without the pair of them, as they both seem to have a pretty low moral compass.
jeez you cant compare the 2 of them at all, he is a murderer, there is no worse crime, he has ended a life and robbed her daughter of a mother, you d not tell a 5 yo your better off without her would you? i dont know if you ve children but i doubt very much if you d the same opinion of her if it were your daughter?
these people she apparently did black mail, were perfectly happy xxxxing her, they knew full well it wasnt love but that didnt stop them cheating on their partners -
to me the women walking the street (or did Peter Sutcliff do Leeds a favour too?) or working as "escorts" are victims, they often have messed up minds and have made some very poor life choices, the men on the other hand are just thinking with their dciks.
I never compared the two crimes.Tail end Charlie
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mamba80 wrote:Frank the tank wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:It's interesting how the cheating murderer gets described in the OP only as "multi-millionaire property developer" and the victim as "greedy trollop".
I've never cheated on my wife, and I've never blackmailed anyone either. I was garnering opinion on here as to his sentence and whether anyone thought the blackmail threat constituted a mitigating circumstance.
To be honest perhaps the world is better off without the pair of them, as they both seem to have a pretty low moral compass.
jeez you cant compare the 2 of them at all, he is a murderer, there is no worse crime, he has ended a life and robbed her daughter of a mother, you d not tell a 5 yo your better off without her would you? i dont know if you ve children but i doubt very much if you d the same opinion of her if it were your daughter?
these people she apparently did black mail, were perfectly happy xxxxing her, they knew full well it wasnt love but that didnt stop them cheating on their partners -
to me the women walking the street (or did Peter Sutcliff do Leeds a favour too?) or working as "escorts" are victims, they often have messed up minds and have made some very poor life choices, the men on the other hand are just thinking with their dciks.
Cheating on your partner is not illegal, blackmail is. Are you suggesting the men who were blackmailed deserved to become victims of crime just because you don't agree with their choices? Terrible...0 -
HaydenM wrote:mamba80 wrote:Frank the tank wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:It's interesting how the cheating murderer gets described in the OP only as "multi-millionaire property developer" and the victim as "greedy trollop".
I've never cheated on my wife, and I've never blackmailed anyone either. I was garnering opinion on here as to his sentence and whether anyone thought the blackmail threat constituted a mitigating circumstance.
To be honest perhaps the world is better off without the pair of them, as they both seem to have a pretty low moral compass.
jeez you cant compare the 2 of them at all, he is a murderer, there is no worse crime, he has ended a life and robbed her daughter of a mother, you d not tell a 5 yo your better off without her would you? i dont know if you ve children but i doubt very much if you d the same opinion of her if it were your daughter?
these people she apparently did black mail, were perfectly happy xxxxing her, they knew full well it wasnt love but that didnt stop them cheating on their partners -
to me the women walking the street (or did Peter Sutcliff do Leeds a favour too?) or working as "escorts" are victims, they often have messed up minds and have made some very poor life choices, the men on the other hand are just thinking with their dciks.
Cheating on your partner is not illegal, blackmail is. Are you suggesting the men who were blackmailed deserved to become victims of crime just because you don't agree with their choices? Terrible...
Thou shall not commit adultery.
Maybe so in our laws but God gets a bit P1ssed about the whole thing0 -
mamba80 wrote:Garry H wrote:Even her mum thought she was a bit of a tw@t.
oh dear this forum will be cut short if being a tw@t meant death by strangulation :shock:
the real shame is more murderers dont get 25years, bare in mind this guy will be out before he has reached retirement age, she on the other hand is dead and her daughter wont know her mother, any chance of this woman turning her life around is gone.All lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....0 -
SmoggySteve wrote:HaydenM wrote:mamba80 wrote:Frank the tank wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:It's interesting how the cheating murderer gets described in the OP only as "multi-millionaire property developer" and the victim as "greedy trollop".
I've never cheated on my wife, and I've never blackmailed anyone either. I was garnering opinion on here as to his sentence and whether anyone thought the blackmail threat constituted a mitigating circumstance.
To be honest perhaps the world is better off without the pair of them, as they both seem to have a pretty low moral compass.
jeez you cant compare the 2 of them at all, he is a murderer, there is no worse crime, he has ended a life and robbed her daughter of a mother, you d not tell a 5 yo your better off without her would you? i dont know if you ve children but i doubt very much if you d the same opinion of her if it were your daughter?
these people she apparently did black mail, were perfectly happy xxxxing her, they knew full well it wasnt love but that didnt stop them cheating on their partners -
to me the women walking the street (or did Peter Sutcliff do Leeds a favour too?) or working as "escorts" are victims, they often have messed up minds and have made some very poor life choices, the men on the other hand are just thinking with their dciks.
Cheating on your partner is not illegal, blackmail is. Are you suggesting the men who were blackmailed deserved to become victims of crime just because you don't agree with their choices? Terrible...
Thou shall not commit adultery.
Maybe so in our laws but God gets a bit P1ssed about the whole thing1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
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Frank the tank wrote:I was garnering opinion on here as to his sentence and whether anyone thought the blackmail threat constituted a mitigating circumstance.0
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rjsterry wrote:SmoggySteve wrote:HaydenM wrote:mamba80 wrote:Frank the tank wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:It's interesting how the cheating murderer gets described in the OP only as "multi-millionaire property developer" and the victim as "greedy trollop".
I've never cheated on my wife, and I've never blackmailed anyone either. I was garnering opinion on here as to his sentence and whether anyone thought the blackmail threat constituted a mitigating circumstance.
To be honest perhaps the world is better off without the pair of them, as they both seem to have a pretty low moral compass.
jeez you cant compare the 2 of them at all, he is a murderer, there is no worse crime, he has ended a life and robbed her daughter of a mother, you d not tell a 5 yo your better off without her would you? i dont know if you ve children but i doubt very much if you d the same opinion of her if it were your daughter?
these people she apparently did black mail, were perfectly happy xxxxing her, they knew full well it wasnt love but that didnt stop them cheating on their partners -
to me the women walking the street (or did Peter Sutcliff do Leeds a favour too?) or working as "escorts" are victims, they often have messed up minds and have made some very poor life choices, the men on the other hand are just thinking with their dciks.
Cheating on your partner is not illegal, blackmail is. Are you suggesting the men who were blackmailed deserved to become victims of crime just because you don't agree with their choices? Terrible...
Thou shall not commit adultery.
Maybe so in our laws but God gets a bit P1ssed about the whole thingAll lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....0 -
bianchimoon wrote:rjsterry wrote:SmoggySteve wrote:HaydenM wrote:mamba80 wrote:Frank the tank wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:It's interesting how the cheating murderer gets described in the OP only as "multi-millionaire property developer" and the victim as "greedy trollop".
I've never cheated on my wife, and I've never blackmailed anyone either. I was garnering opinion on here as to his sentence and whether anyone thought the blackmail threat constituted a mitigating circumstance.
To be honest perhaps the world is better off without the pair of them, as they both seem to have a pretty low moral compass.
jeez you cant compare the 2 of them at all, he is a murderer, there is no worse crime, he has ended a life and robbed her daughter of a mother, you d not tell a 5 yo your better off without her would you? i dont know if you ve children but i doubt very much if you d the same opinion of her if it were your daughter?
these people she apparently did black mail, were perfectly happy xxxxing her, they knew full well it wasnt love but that didnt stop them cheating on their partners -
to me the women walking the street (or did Peter Sutcliff do Leeds a favour too?) or working as "escorts" are victims, they often have messed up minds and have made some very poor life choices, the men on the other hand are just thinking with their dciks.
Cheating on your partner is not illegal, blackmail is. Are you suggesting the men who were blackmailed deserved to become victims of crime just because you don't agree with their choices? Terrible...
Thou shall not commit adultery.
Maybe so in our laws but God gets a bit P1ssed about the whole thing1985 Mercian King of Mercia - work in progress (Hah! Who am I kidding?)
Pinnacle Monzonite
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rjsterry wrote:bianchimoon wrote:rjsterry wrote:SmoggySteve wrote:HaydenM wrote:mamba80 wrote:Frank the tank wrote:KingstonGraham wrote:It's interesting how the cheating murderer gets described in the OP only as "multi-millionaire property developer" and the victim as "greedy trollop".
I've never cheated on my wife, and I've never blackmailed anyone either. I was garnering opinion on here as to his sentence and whether anyone thought the blackmail threat constituted a mitigating circumstance.
To be honest perhaps the world is better off without the pair of them, as they both seem to have a pretty low moral compass.
jeez you cant compare the 2 of them at all, he is a murderer, there is no worse crime, he has ended a life and robbed her daughter of a mother, you d not tell a 5 yo your better off without her would you? i dont know if you ve children but i doubt very much if you d the same opinion of her if it were your daughter?
these people she apparently did black mail, were perfectly happy xxxxing her, they knew full well it wasnt love but that didnt stop them cheating on their partners -
to me the women walking the street (or did Peter Sutcliff do Leeds a favour too?) or working as "escorts" are victims, they often have messed up minds and have made some very poor life choices, the men on the other hand are just thinking with their dciks.
Cheating on your partner is not illegal, blackmail is. Are you suggesting the men who were blackmailed deserved to become victims of crime just because you don't agree with their choices? Terrible...
Thou shall not commit adultery.
Maybe so in our laws but God gets a bit P1ssed about the whole thingAll lies and jest..still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest....0 -
rjsterry wrote:I think people who profess a belief in (a) God should spend more time thinking about their own actions and less time worrying about what everyone else is doing wrong.
I think the same about the drivers who keep complaining when I don't use bits of the crappy Leeds superhighway. What business is it of theirs where I ride my bike? Sort your own driving out please....Faster than a tent.......0