bye

bianchimoon

Fenix wrote:

To be fair though - without people taking a salary and working hard - you'd not get the funds.

Not many of us can afford to work for nothing - and if the job is done right - the salaries should be a tiny part of the fund raising. This will be audited and anyone can see the reports online.

Organisation always costs - we know this.

We also know the more you raise the higher your salary will be, the commercialisation of Charity. Personally, I think there should be fewer charities and they should be far more regulated in how they can raise money to stop the 'holiday' or 'trip of a lifetime' events that most people who contribute to them don't know/realise how much is going to third parties

bianchimoon

coriordan wrote:

Kinda like government and all public spending for that matter?

Pay peanuts and get monkeys....

bit of a sweeping statement?
Plenty of Monkeys running big companies

fenix

There are a LOT of charities - and there must be a huge overlap. So many charities = much duplication or organisation.

I'm wary of a lot of these unknown charities - especially all of these collection bags that you get posted through the door - and usually for troops charities that I don't know ? Very odd. In the bin they go.

debeli

There has been some disarmingly blunt comment on here to the OP. However, there is an extent to which advertising one's own altruism and getting a jolly out of it can be wearisome to the solicited donor.

I was for years a door-to-door fundraiser for Christian Ai d. I'm not a Christian myself, but I quite like what they do. I stopped only when the abuse I occasionally elicited made me want to reply in kind. I still feel guilty when Christian Aid week comes round and I know nobody else has taken over 'my' roads in our town.

I also used to do sponsored bike rides with my kids when they were younger. It was not to raise money, but to let them have a spin out in a larger group with no pressure. The Anthony Nolan Trust used to do rides all over the country and the distances suited us very well when the kiddies were little.

That is the sort of thing I sponsor people for..... I would be disinclined to sponsor even a close friend to ride to Paris and catch the rugby and maybe slip a few quid to charity. I do not think I am particularly mean or cynical.... but there is giving and giving. And some giving smells slightly like taking.

Have a fun ride and well done for highlighting the work of the charity, but there are things one should pay for oneself and there is a moment when altruism is not all it at first appears to be.

mrfpb

Dinyull wrote:

Effort and reward, says Tom Bell, who raised money for the air ambulance by cycling 350 miles in a week and paid all expenses himself.
"I'm self-employed, so I lost money. I trained for months.
"I'll sponsor someone if there's sacrifice.
"I wouldn't sponsor a mountaineer to climb Everest - but I'd sponsor a lorry driver."

50 miles a day. Trained for months. Fark off.

I think your missing the point. He took on the challenge as a novice, so training for months was required. Look at his comment on climbing everest. Seems a reasonable attitude to me.

dinyull

mrfpb wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Effort and reward, says Tom Bell, who raised money for the air ambulance by cycling 350 miles in a week and paid all expenses himself.
"I'm self-employed, so I lost money. I trained for months.
"I'll sponsor someone if there's sacrifice.
"I wouldn't sponsor a mountaineer to climb Everest - but I'd sponsor a lorry driver."

50 miles a day. Trained for months. Fark off.

I think your missing the point. He took on the challenge as a novice, so training for months was required. Look at his comment on climbing everest. Seems a reasonable attitude to me.

Aside from medical conditions and/or being extremely unfit (ie. massively overweight), anyone can cycle 50 miles a day for 7 days. Could do it in blocks of 10 miles as slowly as you wanted with minimal training.

7 people have died on Everest this year alone - Everest to a mountineer isn't a foregone conclusion. You can't compare 350 miles in 7 days to Everest.

Anonymous

bye

Thick Mike

Dinyull wrote:

mrfpb wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Effort and reward, says Tom Bell, who raised money for the air ambulance by cycling 350 miles in a week and paid all expenses himself.
"I'm self-employed, so I lost money. I trained for months.
"I'll sponsor someone if there's sacrifice.
"I wouldn't sponsor a mountaineer to climb Everest - but I'd sponsor a lorry driver."

50 miles a day. Trained for months. Fark off.

I think your missing the point. He took on the challenge as a novice, so training for months was required. Look at his comment on climbing everest. Seems a reasonable attitude to me.

Aside from medical conditions and/or being extremely unfit (ie. massively overweight), anyone can cycle 50 miles a day for 7 days. Could do it in blocks of 10 miles as slowly as you wanted with minimal training.

7 people have died on Everest this year alone - Everest to a mountineer isn't a foregone conclusion. You can't compare 350 miles in 7 days to Everest.

I started cycling in April. I wasn't particularly fit, but I was able to cycle 60-80 km reasonably soon (within three weeks or so). Not so sure I could have done it seven days in a row though.

bianchimoon

Holdey wrote:

bye

Nothing personal, hope it's given you a different insight into what you ask of people or makes you think twice before asking family and friends to donate via a second, third, fourth and fifth party before it gets to the deserving cause

Tashman

Thick Mike wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

mrfpb wrote:

Dinyull wrote:

Effort and reward, says Tom Bell, who raised money for the air ambulance by cycling 350 miles in a week and paid all expenses himself.
"I'm self-employed, so I lost money. I trained for months.
"I'll sponsor someone if there's sacrifice.
"I wouldn't sponsor a mountaineer to climb Everest - but I'd sponsor a lorry driver."

50 miles a day. Trained for months. Fark off.

I think your missing the point. He took on the challenge as a novice, so training for months was required. Look at his comment on climbing everest. Seems a reasonable attitude to me.

Aside from medical conditions and/or being extremely unfit (ie. massively overweight), anyone can cycle 50 miles a day for 7 days. Could do it in blocks of 10 miles as slowly as you wanted with minimal training.

7 people have died on Everest this year alone - Everest to a mountineer isn't a foregone conclusion. You can't compare 350 miles in 7 days to Everest.

I started cycling in April. I wasn't particularly fit, but I was able to cycle 60-80 km reasonably soon (within three weeks or so). Not so sure I could have done it seven days in a row though.

Same here, in fact I'm still not up to your distance yet thanks to repetition of the injury i'm trying to use cycling to recover from. It's precisely this type of cycling snobbery that puts some people off the sport/activity. not everyone gets on a bike to go as fast/high/far as they can!
I'm using the L2B as an incentive for my recovery, but also as a challenge and a way of raising funds for 2 worthwhile charities i care about. The 56 miles would be a walk in the park for some here, it's going to kill me, but I WILL do it!

dinyull

How is it snobbery?

I'm not talking about bashing out a 2 1/2 hour 50 mile ride a day. Or even a century every other day.

Riding 50 miles at 10 mph with a 30 min breather/break between 10 mile spells would add up to 7.5 hours a day. An average working day.

I think most people could manage that. Whether they'd really want to or not is another question - but's it's very achievable.

fat daddy

not sure my arse could manage it ..... everything else would be fine though

I think I need to harden my butt up .... martial artists punch sand and wood to toughen their hands up ... I wonder if a similar thing can be done for my arse ?

anyone got wood for my arse ?

Tashman

It's quite posibly a massive achievement for the guy in the article. You know nothing about him.
Assuming that everyone is capable of certain things just because you deem it to be easy

mrfpb

Tashman wrote:

Same here, in fact I'm still not up to your distance yet thanks to repetition of the injury i'm trying to use cycling to recover from. It's precisely this type of cycling snobbery that puts some people off the sport/activity. not everyone gets on a bike to go as fast/high/far as they can!
I'm using the L2B as an incentive for my recovery, but also as a challenge and a way of raising funds for 2 worthwhile charities i care about. The 56 miles would be a walk in the park for some here, it's going to kill me, but I WILL do it!

Search the term "Ditchling Beacon" on this site to get some good advice on L2B. Good luck with it. I found a cheapish leather saddle that suited me well, though it took a while to break in. (It was a Charge saddle, but I don't know if they still make them)

dinyull

Fair enough, I don't know the bloke - he could have medical conditions etc.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/vgrPhwRvgf4Gb4XkM0NXXB/the-rickshaw-challenge-2016

Tashman

mrfpb wrote:

Tashman wrote:

Same here, in fact I'm still not up to your distance yet thanks to repetition of the injury i'm trying to use cycling to recover from. It's precisely this type of cycling snobbery that puts some people off the sport/activity. not everyone gets on a bike to go as fast/high/far as they can!
I'm using the L2B as an incentive for my recovery, but also as a challenge and a way of raising funds for 2 worthwhile charities i care about. The 56 miles would be a walk in the park for some here, it's going to kill me, but I WILL do it!

Search the term "Ditchling Beacon" on this site to get some good advice on L2B. Good luck with it. I found a cheapish leather saddle that suited me well, though it took a while to break in. (It was a Charge saddle, but I don't know if they still make them)

Thanks, I know it well as it's only 10 miles from home so I'm well aware of the challenge and often see people flying, grinding, walking up if I'm heading that way. Thaks for the advice on the saddle, Mine seems fine currently but i may think differently as i grow the mileage

priory

I did a number of charity rides when my children were at school.
before each one for a few weeks people who saw me at work were given a leaflet which said '' i intend to ride 100miles on sunday in an event organised for xx charity.I am expected to take some money for the charity. i will pay all my expenses and entry fee and all money donated goes direct to the charity, whether I complete the ride or not. If you would like to support that charity please speak to our receptionist.'' As the event was organised by the school it was clear there were no payments by the charity for the fundraising or organisation of the ride .
Interestingly one year I added ''for example 50p'', but that resulted in a very slow uptake until I removed it. the staff said that specifying an amount made people feel more pressurised and they refused to give. I put it in because I felt that a few people were giving more than they could easily afford, but clearly folk want to decide for themselves.

charlie_potatoes

Holdey wrote:

bye

Damn I missed it. I love a nice flounce

charlie_potatoes

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

meanredspider wrote:

I've raised a fair bit of money (ca. £40k) for cancer charities

Jimmy Saville raised £40 million for charities

Lance Armstrong over $500 million

.....and Kevin Keegan raised sweet FA

Frank Wilson

Cheerio now

briantrumpet

Charlie Potatoes wrote:

Holdey wrote:

bye

Damn I missed it. I love a nice flounce

It was a splendid one. I expect he needs a holiday now. It's just a question of who pays for it...

sniper68

briantrumpet wrote:

Charlie Potatoes wrote:

Holdey wrote:

bye

Damn I missed it. I love a nice flounce

It was a splendid one. I expect he needs a holiday now. It's just a question of who pays for it...

I saw the original request last year and then this.I was going to comment but it looks as though he's spat his dummy out now and buggered off :roll:

briantrumpet

ibbo68 wrote:

briantrumpet wrote:

Charlie Potatoes wrote:

Holdey wrote:

bye

Damn I missed it. I love a nice flounce

It was a splendid one. I expect he needs a holiday now. It's just a question of who pays for it...

I saw the original request last year and then this.I was going to comment but it looks as though he's spat his dummy out now and buggered off :roll:

The best bit was his saying that all the money went directly to the charity... omitting to mention that the charity then paid for hotels, transport, food, and tickets to the rugby. And then expecting a smooth ride here. Charities, even the most worthy ones, don't do themselves any favours when they go for this sort of scheme. There's a fundamental dishonesty about it.

cougie

Don't think the OP gets forums.

apreading

Looking at the OP's JustGiving page, I cant see that they have donated anything themself. Shows how much they think of the charity...

andy9964

ibbo68 wrote:

I saw the original request last year and then this.I was going to comment but it looks as though he's spat his dummy out now and buggered off :roll:

No need to worry, wait another 12 months.............

itboffin

fat daddy wrote:

not sure my ars* could manage it ..... everything else would be fine though

I think I need to harden my butt up .... martial artists punch sand and wood to toughen their hands up ... I wonder if a similar thing can be done for my ars* ?

anyone got wood for my ars* ?

you want wood in your arse?

you might be on the wrong forum

bianchimoon

briantrumpet wrote:

Charlie Potatoes wrote:

Holdey wrote:

bye

Damn I missed it. I love a nice flounce

It was a splendid one. I expect he needs a holiday now. It's just a question of who pays for it...

Class

StillGoing

apreading wrote:

Looking at the OP's JustGiving page, I cant see that they have donated anything themself. Shows how much they think of the charity...

And that's the whole point with these adventure fund raising events. The very first donation on there should be by the event entrant covering the whole cost of entering. At least that way, everything else raised will go to paying the salaries and expenses of the charity. Oh and about 9% to the charities aims.

Bobbinogs

I think the problem though is that many events are (understandably) coy about exactly how much of the money raised is used to fund the event rather than go to the charity. In the case of 'sponsored' events where a charity has paid for association with an event, most donors would be dismayed to see that most of the money left over from the organisers goes to the charity...to pay off the cash paid by the charity to the organisers in the first place!