TRP Spyre or Hope Vtwin

davegriffiths

Just starting Cyclocross and cant decide between Hope V twin Hydro or TRP Spyre mechanical brakes does anyone have any experience/advice with either or both

Thanks Dave

tgotb

I used to have Spyres, and now have several Parabox setups (very similar to V-Twin).

Spyre is far simpler and easier to set up, but because the cables go all the way to the brake they tend to ingest mud, and need replacing at regular intervals. Sealed cables are a slight improvement, but only slight, and still need replacing. The pads aren't self-adjusting, which will be a problem if you use organic pads in certain venues/conditions (yes, you really can go through an entire set of pads in half an hour). Probably not an issue with sintered pads.

Parabox is a pain to set up, but once you've got it sorted, the only maintenance is to replace pads. Because the hydraulic system is (by definition) sealed, it's totally mud-proof. The same presumably applies to V-Twin.

If you're a decent fettler, the V-Twin is probably the better brake for you; if not, you're probably better off with the Spyre.

bendertherobot

That's a big difference in product. From pure and cheap mechanical to full on cable hydro. You've missed out the Trp Hy Rd and Juin Tech R1 in between which are cheaper than a Parabox/Hope etc.

What's your budget? If you're going to spring for £300 Hope (etc) how about just getting SRAM or Shimano hydraulic?

cycleclinic

Shimano hydraulic is pricey but by far the best. Spyres are good. The hyrd's no better except pad wear is self adjusting. My hyrd packed after the pistons went skewiff even though theh started off beong setup right. Spyres have been no bother and half the price.

bendertherobot

Spyres hate the wet, which is a bit ironic. Eventually they will seize and using an allen bolt to adjust them will see you round the bolts. Unless you take real care to free them up again before doing it. The brakes will work fine but setting the pad adjustment does suffer from this.

davegriffiths

Thanks for the replies ,Ive looked into the various systems and the 105 hydraulic systems have dropped in price so the cost of the Vtwin set up and what I can sell by Sram shifters now brings these into the frame .
Unfortunately the 105 hydraulic is 11 speed does this give problems with clogging

davegriffiths

What about these http://www.edgesportsuk.com/store/index ... cross.html

bendertherobot

davegriffiths wrote:

What about these http://www.edgesportsuk.com/store/index ... cross.html

https://roubaixcycling.cc/2016/08/03/ju ... ic-brakes/

veronese68

Would the Juin Tech and HyRd not have the same problem TGOTB mentioned with the Spyres about cables clogging? If 105 hydraulic is affordable I'd go that way. I've also got a Parabox and once set up it has been fit and forget, but I also found it a pain to set up.

bendertherobot

They could, though I've never had a cable clog!

tgotb

bendertherobot wrote:

They could, though I've never had a cable clog!

They don't jam; what happens is that brake performance deteriorates progressively, until you get to the point where you're having to apply significant additional force to activate the brakes, and they don't release properly. Not so much of an issue in dry conditions, but with wet conditions and pressure washing I was having to replace my cables 2 or 3 times a season (maybe 20 races and 20-30 training sessions). By contrast, the cables on my Parabox setups are into their third season with no issues at all.

OT: This is one advantage I can see in electronic shifting for cross, though for me the disadvantages still outweigh the benefits.

bendertherobot

TGOTB wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

They could, though I've never had a cable clog!

They don't jam; what happens is that brake performance deteriorates progressively, until you get to the point where you're having to apply significant additional force to activate the brakes, and they don't release properly. Not so much of an issue in dry conditions, but with wet conditions and pressure washing I was having to replace my cables 2 or 3 times a season (maybe 20 races and 20-30 training sessions). By contrast, the cables on my Parabox setups are into their third season with no issues at all.

OT: This is one advantage I can see in electronic shifting for cross, though for me the disadvantages still outweigh the benefits.

I race less, and suffer less. But my bikes are used for commuting 150-200 miles a week and I've still not experienced it. There is the Spyre issue in the wet above but I never have cable issues. Lucky I guess.

tgotb

bendertherobot wrote:

I race less, and suffer less. But my bikes are used for commuting 150-200 miles a week and I've still not experienced it. There is the Spyre issue in the wet above but I never have cable issues. Lucky I guess.

I think it's specifically the conditions where you have to clean significant quantities of mud off your bike after every single ride. Commuting (and racing in dry conditions) doesn't exact anything like the same toll on equipment. My commuting bike's 3 years old, and I'm not sure I've ever cleaned it; I probably get 2000 miles out of a set of brake pads. On a CX bike I've gone through a set of identical pads in half an hour...

bendertherobot

I'm racing in similar conditions to you I'd wager. Very very dirty. Then washing it, then commuting on it in the rain with mudguards, and snow, and salt, grit. Then back to CX on the weekend. I've gone through pads but have never had a sticky cable.