Unbelievable video shows car undertaking on cycle path.

Mr Stamp

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Not sure if it's accetable to post under two different threads on this site but this needs to be seen, stay safe on your bikes.

ddraver

Meh...say what you want, He passes them slowly, with a wide gap and safely....

Mr Stamp

...On the cycle path/pavement, maybe I didn't make this clear, he has come off the road over a verge and round the cyclists not just on the wrong side of a road but leaving the road.

fenix

Oh I do hope they reported this idiot.

pblakeney

An extreme case of (wrongly) going out of his way to make a point.
Why not simply overtake? But the point is that cycle paths are optional, not mandatory. Yet.

Mr Stamp

I'd not considered the idea the driver was trying to make the point that the cyclist should have been on the path so decided to swap roles between car and bike, either way this is no excuse for breaking the law and potentially injuring a user of the pathway and a cyclist re entering the road.

ddraver

^^^^yes, I got that

sloppyschleckonds

Are there any signs to say the driver couldn't use that bit of road (or cycle path as you call it)?

wongataa

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

Are there any signs to say the driver couldn't use that bit of road (or cycle path as you call it)?

There don't need to be signs. Cars are not allowed on segregated cycle paths and certainly not allowed to drive over a grassy verge to get on to them.

kingstongraham

I can't believe there's so many identical cars doing it one after the other. I only watched for about 20 minutes, how many more were there?

fat daddy

Cycle paths are designed to segregate and keep bikes and cars away from each other.

To me, it seems like this one has worked perfectly, they should build more of these paths to put cars on, perhaps call them Car lanes ..... it would keep them off our roads

veronese68

Would have been far more entertaining if there'd been a hidden ditch between the path and the road.

markhewitt1978

This is the stretch: https://goo.gl/maps/TsSomxKXvcK2

Hard to believe it's actually a designated shared use path - but it is. Even if that section is reasonable and I do use paths of that nature myself, it only looks like that for a very short distance. Have a scroll around or look here: https://goo.gl/maps/w9R5a7oAhe42 that's still shared use? Still suitable for cycling? And group cycling at that?

sloppyschleckonds

wongataa wrote:

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

Are there any signs to say the driver couldn't use that bit of road (or cycle path as you call it)?

There don't need to be signs. Cars are not allowed on segregated cycle paths and certainly not allowed to drive over a grassy verge to get on to them.

Has the driver been prosecuted and if so what for?

fat daddy

going across a grass verge to ride on a cycle path possibly with pedestrian access that is used in both directions to undertake traffic on the highway would be seen as driving without due care, or even dangerous driving

sloppyschleckonds

fat daddy wrote:

going across a grass verge to ride on a cycle path possibly with pedestrian access that is used in both directions to undertake traffic on the highway would be seen as driving without due care, or even dangerous driving

Be interesting to see what the plod does

sloppyschleckonds

KingstonGraham wrote:

I can't believe there's so many identical cars doing it one after the other. I only watched for about 20 minutes, how many more were there?

And that fat lad holds a wheel better than Chris Froome

fenix

I'm sure Road.cc will have the story soon - they love stuff like this.

markhewitt1978

Section 72 of the Highways Act 1835 makes it illegal to drive onto the footway "If any person shall wilfully ride upon any footpath or causeway by the side of any road made or set apart for the use or accommodation of foot passengers; or shall wilfully lead or drive any horse, ass, sheep, mule, swine, or cattle or carriage of any description, or any truck or sledge, upon any such footpath or causeway; or shall tether any horse, ass, mule, swine, or cattle, on any highway, so as to suffer or permit the tethered animal to be thereon.""

Now cycling on the pavement carries a maximum £500 fine; not sure about driving I would hope that's the least they could give to the driver!

fat daddy

up to £2500 and 3-9 points for driving without due care, which is what I am sure this would come under ..... undertaking on the inside, going through a red light .. basically anything that falls below the accepted standard of driving

Jerry185

Put this to my (very noncyclist) workmate and he said the cyclist should be done for lack of consideration to the motorist. Shows you the mindset of these metal box zombie killers.

markhewitt1978

Jerry185 wrote:

Put this to my (very noncyclist) workmate and he said the cyclist should be done for lack of consideration to the motorist. Shows you the mindset of these metal box zombie killers.

It's the general rule - no matter what the situation the cyclist is always at fault. Even if they're just riding down the road and the car drives onto the footpath!

Jerry185

fat daddy wrote:

going across a grass verge to ride on a cycle path possibly with pedestrian access that is used in both directions to undertake traffic on the highway would be seen as driving without due care, or even dangerous driving

Ex-police: we would consider 'dangerous driving' on four aspects;-

Condition of the road
Nature of the driving
Use of the road
Timing of the incident

We struggled to come up with a mnemonic for this, but just couldn't think of one.

sloppyschleckonds

Jerry185 wrote:

fat daddy wrote:

going across a grass verge to ride on a cycle path possibly with pedestrian access that is used in both directions to undertake traffic on the highway would be seen as driving without due care, or even dangerous driving

Ex-police: we would consider 'dangerous driving' on four aspects;-

Condition of the road
Nature of the driving
Use of the road
Timing of the incident

We struggled to come up with a mnemonic for this, but just couldn't think of one.

Enough to prosecute given no accident/incident occurred?

pblakeney

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

I can't believe there's so many identical cars doing it one after the other. I only watched for about 20 minutes, how many more were there?

And that fat lad holds a wheel better than Chris Froome

Most people can hold a wheel better than Froome did on Sunday.
But that's more for Pro Race......

oldbazza

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

KingstonGraham wrote:

I can't believe there's so many identical cars doing it one after the other. I only watched for about 20 minutes, how many more were there?

And that fat lad holds a wheel better than Chris Froome

I'll let Del(the 'big' lad') know

Mr Stamp

I see this has gone viral and turned up on the bbc site - I'll let you know of any outcome that's reported locally.

rpherts

Yes, but was the cyclist wearing a helmet and flourescent clothing? This is the question which seemingly must always be asked, and if they weren't then well, what do you expect?

Jerry185

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

Jerry185 wrote:

fat daddy wrote:

going across a grass verge to ride on a cycle path possibly with pedestrian access that is used in both directions to undertake traffic on the highway would be seen as driving without due care, or even dangerous driving

Ex-police: we would consider 'dangerous driving' on four aspects;-

Condition of the road
Nature of the driving
Use of the road
Timing of the incident

We struggled to come up with a mnemonic for this, but just couldn't think of one.

Enough to prosecute given no accident/incident occurred?

Doubtful. All four have to apply

sloppyschleckonds

Jerry185 wrote:

SloppySchleckonds wrote:

Jerry185 wrote:

fat daddy wrote:

going across a grass verge to ride on a cycle path possibly with pedestrian access that is used in both directions to undertake traffic on the highway would be seen as driving without due care, or even dangerous driving

Ex-police: we would consider 'dangerous driving' on four aspects;-

Condition of the road
Nature of the driving
Use of the road
Timing of the incident

We struggled to come up with a mnemonic for this, but just couldn't think of one.

Enough to prosecute given no accident/incident occurred?

Doubtful. All four have to apply

Thank you

perfectmark

While the driver has no excuse for doing that and should obviously be fined. At the same time, looking at the photos on Googlemaps, I don't really see why the cyclists weren't using the path. If nothing else, it is just a bit more considerate of other road users.