TRP HY/RD disc brakes

mstrmind5

How are they, especially compared to the spryre's and rim brakes. Also are they relatively easy to maintain?

Thanks.

ugo.santalucia

They are good and easy to live with... lever throw is a bit long, so if you like them to respond after 1 millimeter they are not for you. In terms of maintenance, it's very simple, you don't do anything until the pads need to be changed... then you change the pads, period.

ugo.santalucia

have a look at the Juin tech R1 too, they are cheaper, prettier and apparently pretty good too

bendertherobot

Cheaper, prettier and, so far, for the reasons stated, better! full review soon but I'd take a punt on them over the Hy Rd

Anonymous

I know people like them and will say mine are not set up properly, but I wish I had spent more and upgraded to full hydro rather than to Hy-Rd's

redvee

I've got two disc braked bikes and would like them both with Hy:Rds but haven't changed the other bike over yet cause of cost. That is the only reason at the moment.

bendertherobot

These brakes occupy a gap. If you have 11 speed then upgrading to RS685 et al is expensive but an easier proposition. If you have 10 speed then short of finding a 10 speed hydro set you're looking at some drivetrain changes as well.

So it's TRP Hy Rd at £200 plays RS685 at £350 or so. And it's a piece of cake to fit your own cable operated ones.

The Juin Tech are £140 the pair so it becomes more difficult to justify spending £200 more other than the fact that RS685 etc are properly good. But then so are the Juin Tech. You can lock your brakes with them. So the only issue is feel.

Anonymous

I would 100% forget about HY-RD's and get those new ones then.

I personally doubt they can lock a front wheel anything like SRAM Rival, but at least they are cheaper and it's less money wasted if you do not like them.

bendertherobot

Oh, they can. They really can.

meanredspider

bendertherobot wrote:

These brakes occupy a gap. If you have 11 speed then upgrading to RS685 et al is expensive but an easier proposition. If you have 10 speed then short of finding a 10 speed hydro set you're looking at some drivetrain changes as well.

That's not entirely accurate (though mostly). I could swap to hydro on my 10sp Di2 Volagi but I don't feel the need because the HyRd I have on the front (I still run BB7 on the rear) is good enough. It would also be a bit of a faff running hydro tubes on a bike designed for internal brake cables. I'm sure there must be a solution for attaching them to the frame but it's not a priority for me.

In rank order, the Jamis (hydro) stops the best but the Volagi isn't far behind. The Scott is the worst by a margin - esoecially in the wet. The other difference with the Jamis is that I ride it on loose surfaces (forest fire roads) where having good rear braking is far more important.

meanredspider

The point is that you DON'T want to lock your front wheel - when was that EVER a good thing? Power with modulation is what it's all about (followed by heat management).

Anonymous

bendertherobot wrote:

Oh, they can. They really can.

They will be on lot and lots of stock bikes soon then? And we will not have lots of full hydro bikes replacing defunct cable disc on all but super budget road bikes then?

These things are upgrade only, and a bad upgrade for me re HY-RDs.

I am thinking more CX (which is a joke situation at the moment) than road, but road will go the same way IMO.

Feel is probably more important than power for road anyway.
Why would you want slick 11 speed Shimano gear change without slick brake pull?

Of course you don't want to lock a front wheel on any bike, but you kind of want brakes that can as opposed to ones you can push along the floor walking next to it with lever full on (as in the case of some full cable disc)!
You don't want to upgrade to something that's only slightly better do you?

bendertherobot

meanredspider wrote:

The point is that you DON'T want to lock your front wheel - when was that EVER a good thing? Power with modulation is what it's all about (followed by heat management).

You can lock a front with many brakes. The point here is that these are strong and progressive so you don't need to. First full ride Monday, review middle of next week but I've got high hopes.

ugo.santalucia

Carbonator wrote:

These things are upgrade only, and a bad upgrade for me re HY-RDs.

you seem really unhappy with them... provided they are not faulty (e.g. they do not compensate for wear) I'd be tempted to take them off your hands, if you are happy to take an offer significantly lower than a new pair of Juin Tech R1

bendertherobot

Carbonator wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Oh, they can. They really can.

They will be on lot and lots of stock bikes soon then? And we will not have lots of full hydro bikes replacing defunct cable disc on all but super budget road bikes then?

Wouldn't it be nice if it worked that way? It took years to see TRP replace Avid as the brake of choice for the mid budget stuff. Much depends on the clout of the manufacturer I guess. But, let's face it, these types of brakes are a stop gap. In 30 years the idea will be consigned to history. Doesn't make it less valid right now though.

meanredspider

Carbonator wrote:

Of course you don't want to lock a front wheel on any bike, but you kind of want brakes that can as opposed to ones you can push along the floor walking next to it with lever full on (as in the case of some full cable disc)!
You don't want to upgrade to something that's only slightly better do you?

Of course you don't - but, as you've said yourself, it's something to do with your set-up. The vast majority of the rest of us are very happy with them. I'd be first in the queue to bin them if they didn't work very well.

ugo.santalucia

The issue for me is 11 speed. Upgrading to hydros means going 11 speed, so new rear hub, new chainset, which alone means another 200-300 pounds on top of the 400 or so for the upgrade. Then spares become more expensive, currently I can buy a 9 speed MTB cassette + 10 speed chain (works for 9) for 25 pounds, the same combo 11 speed would set me off well over 50 quid. I go through at least 3-4 chains every year and I have a few cassettes to match the riding I am doing.
Finally, the choice of 11 speed compatible rear hubs for disc is still dismal... budget Novatec or very expensive american products or the Shimano CX ones, which only come as 28 holes and have cup and cone bearings... Hope won't work and the good Novatec (542 rear) are not 11 speed. Going 28 holes for me also means a new set of rims, so another 150-200 pounds... add it all up and it makes more sense to buy a new bike

bendertherobot

Quite. And, sometimes, you don't even get rotors. It's almost a new groupset.

Much depends on how you value feel. You'll get acceptable to great braking on cable/cable hydro. It just won't be as good. Of course if you have no reference point it won't matter quite as much.

The RS685 are astounding mind. The Juin Tech can't live with them but it's closer than I'd expected.

ugo.santalucia

bendertherobot wrote:

Quite. And, sometimes, you don't even get rotors. It's almost a new groupset.

Much depends on how you value feel. You'll get acceptable to great braking on cable/cable hydro. It just won't be as good. Of course if you have no reference point it won't matter quite as much.

The RS685 are astounding mind. The Juin Tech can't live with them but it's closer than I'd expected.

When I embraced Shimergo I gave up on feel... my shifting can be heard from the houses along the road, but it's effective, it always works and the Campagnolo levers don't wear out... I just want things that work well and don't give me grief, possibly with spares which are cheap as chips. The Hayes brakes on my SS are giving me grief, so after 5 years it's time to bin them and the juin tech could go on the geared bike, so the TRP go on the SS or viceversa, depending on what works best

bendertherobot

ugo.santalucia wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

Quite. And, sometimes, you don't even get rotors. It's almost a new groupset.

Much depends on how you value feel. You'll get acceptable to great braking on cable/cable hydro. It just won't be as good. Of course if you have no reference point it won't matter quite as much.

The RS685 are astounding mind. The Juin Tech can't live with them but it's closer than I'd expected.

When I embraced Shimergo I gave up on feel... my shifting can be heard from the houses along the road, but it's effective, it always works and the Campagnolo levers don't wear out... I just want things that work well and don't give me grief, possibly with spares which are cheap as chips. The Hayes brakes on my SS are giving me grief, so after 5 years it's time to bin them and the juin tech could go on the geared bike, so the TRP go on the SS or viceversa, depending on what works best

I'll report back soon. They're currently on a big old Genesis Day One singlespeed. Monday is very wet. So it'll be commute of 18 with 800ft climbing on a ss with associated wetness. A good old test. I'll then be handing the bike back to the owner for his ongoing thoughts. Two heads and all that. When the CAADX comes I'll be testing them with CX in mind.

bendertherobot

bendertherobot

Oh and Ugo, check my afs thread, any thoughts?
viewtopic.php?f=40013&t=13068070

ugo.santalucia

bendertherobot wrote:

Oh and Ugo, check my afs thread, any thoughts?
viewtopic.php?f=40013&t=13068070

I had a look, but no thoughts.. it does look like the Shimano HT2 BB spline pattern, but that seems a bit too easy (and would be a bit big!)... best thing is to ask the distributor or ask Malcolm at TCC, he always seems to be on top of things

ugo.santalucia

bendertherobot wrote:

For SS why didn't you get the Hylex?

bendertherobot

ugo.santalucia wrote:

bendertherobot wrote:

For SS why didn't you get the Hylex?

Not mine, it's a mates. I'm guessing he already had BB7 and levers. But yeah, good option.

bendertherobot

(And, of course, on a SS the zip tieing cables to the frame point is moot)

webberhyde

Just pulled the trigger on some Juins from Edge Sports UK. Never used them before but found a 10% discount code which seems to be working still... "edge10".

bendertherobot

Even better!