What wide gravelesque tyres for a Synapse Ultegra - New post kind of

daniel_b

EDIT: I have altered the direction of this thread, and posted a new message at the bottom

Afternoon all,

well finally I am nearly at the point where I can get the new bike on the road.

Stock wheels are coming off complete with tyres and rotors.
New rotors are ordered today, wheels are ready to be fitted with them, garmin mount ordered, and correct seatpost arrived today, but the one critical thing I have not considered yet is tyres.

I have bought a pair of GP4000S II's for my Scott, 25mm front, and 23mm rear, but am after something with a bit more fairy resistance for the Synapse.

Out of idle interest, looking at the pics I will post below of it fitted with the stock 28's, it would seem to suggest to me that 32's would fit in there?

Just a consideration should I want to reshod it and take it up on the ridgeway or something.

Anyway, to give you an idea of my tyre preferences, I run Schwalbe Durano Plus tyres on the winterbikes in the household, and have thousands of miles of use with only one puncture, which was an enormous, thorn that would have gone through any tyre out there.

So for this, I am looking for speed, but also puncture resistance, and I am also just going to go all black, not worried about coloured tyres for this bike.
Schwalbe Durano?

I see there are tyres out there labelled as 'Raceguard' and also 'Double defense' - not sure what the difference is, or if one supercedes the other.

The raceguards I can get through Evans for £18 each via a pricematch and voucher, which seems very cheap.

Price wise, I suppose a max of £30 a pop, unless it's something super special.

Width wise, I am planning to go for 25's, which is what I have on my alloy synapse, and that is as comfy as a very plush armchair, so I genuinely see no need for 28's on this, for ME.

So any suggestions as to what tyre to consider?
IMG_20160727_152634_resized_20160727_032743861 by Daniel 2009, on Flickr
IMG_20160727_152606_resized_20160727_032743243 by Daniel 2009, on Flickr
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bendertherobot

S-one

fenix

Just go with GP4000s - if you have the right pressures they'll be perfect.

keef66

I've always been impressed by the puncture resistance of GP 4 Seasons, and also feel they grip well in the cold / wet. Others think they are rubbish however, so YMMV. Close to your max budget of £30 a pop.

Clearance wise I'd stick with 28s. (But I speak as one who's managed to gouge the chainstays on a CR1-SL by fitting a 25mm Pro 4 SC which actually measures 27mm)

luv2ride

CRC have Durano DD cheap (22 quid) with extra 10% off at the moment. If you had the clearance why wouldn't you go 28's?

daniel_b

Luv2ride wrote:

CRC have Durano DD cheap (22 quid) with extra 10% off at the moment. If you had the clearance why wouldn't you go 28's?

Durano's are looking pretty good, and cheap at the moment, but will investigate other suggestions.

As to why not to go to 28's - I guess I am old school, and it took me a long while to consider even shying away from 23's, d I can see why you would want 28\30\32 on perhaps an adventure bike, but for me the Synapse is meant to be a comfy but fast
road bike, so by my reasoning 28's just seem a bit large.

I can run 25's at something around 80psi and be more comfy than I ever thought possible - on a synapse, so I can't see any benefit in netting a pair of 28's, and say being able to run them at 70psi - the width of the tyre would irk me, and I'd be stuck with them for a year.

Call me dim or a luddite by all means

daniel_b

bendertherobot wrote:

S-one

Yo Btr, are these the ones you speak of:

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/schwalbe-one-folding-road-tyre/

bendertherobot

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/schwalbe-s-one- ... road-tyre/

nah, those. Hard to come by at the moment mind.

I'd be inclined to make a choice. Go for 28c Panaracer Gravel king or the like, or just stick GP4000ii S on there. (Or Schwalbe One)

grenw

keef66 wrote:

I've always been impressed by the puncture resistance of GP 4 Seasons, and also feel they grip well in the cold / wet. Others think they are rubbish however, so YMMV. Close to your max budget of £30 a pop.

Clearance wise I'd stick with 28s. (But I speak as one who's managed to gouge the chainstays on a CR1-SL by fitting a 25mm Pro 4 SC which actually measures 27mm)

Went to 4 seasons last winter after a few punctures on (worn) 4000s. Not one puncture in the 7 months they've been on the bikes and they seem to roll the same as the 4000s.

dinyull

Daniel B wrote:

Luv2ride wrote:

CRC have Durano DD cheap (22 quid) with extra 10% off at the moment. If you had the clearance why wouldn't you go 28's?

As to why not to go to 28's - I guess I am old school, and it took me a long while to consider even shying away from 23's, d I can see why you would want 28\30\32 on perhaps an adventure bike, but for me the Synapse is meant to be a comfy but fast
road bike, so by my reasoning 28's just seem a bit large.

As someone who's just moved to Planet X London road running Pro 4 Endurance 25's (actually measure about 27) I've noticed no difference in speed whatsoever from my race geo bike running the same tyres at 23mm.

Running much lower pressures too.

Also, CRC were selling the 25's for £22 each with inner tubes included.

bendertherobot

28's are fine. I ran my Ritchey Swiss Cross on 28 and it was super fast. I run my SuperX on them now. I'd always go for 28 if the space allowed.

grenw

bendertherobot wrote:

28's are fine. I ran my Ritchey Swiss Cross on 28 and it was super fast. I run my SuperX on them now. I'd always go for 28 if the space allowed.

Do you run at lower pressure?

I've got a new Canyon coming that comes with 28s and was wondering how much to drop the pressure by. Currently running 25s at around 90psi

dinyull

What's your weight?

I'm running 25s (measure 27) at 75 front 80 rear @73kg. Was running 23s at 100.

bendertherobot

80kg. Run 28's at about 90.

gusm41

Michelin pro 4 endurance 28 fit max pressure is 80 psi.
The ride is excellent.

luv2ride

gusm41 wrote:

Michelin pro 4 endurance 28 fit max pressure is 80 psi.
The ride is excellent.

Yeah, I'm a big fan of the those but in 25mm, mainly as they seem to come up as 27mm on my fairly narrow rims. :?

daniel_b

Afternoon,

well my new wheels are on, and I went for the cheapish option of 25mm £18 Durano Raceguard, which I thought were a good deal, and as I love the Durano Plus tyres on our winter bikes, seemed like a logical solution.

Over the weekend I will be placing an order for a pair of Pro Lite Revo wheels from Wiggle.

I want these, firstly as back up wheels, and secondly as wheels I can put on to do a bit of 'Adventure' or simply off road riding, hard packed trails etc - thought it might be fun to have the option anyway.

So bearing that in mind, and looking at the clearance on the pics above (Those were the 28mm tyres by the way) what tyres would people now recommend?
Oh and critically what size - I am thinking 32 would probably fit, but that 30 would probably be a safer bet.

I see the Hyper Voyagers are available in a 32 width for £20 a pop from PX.

Price wise, ideally £50 the pair, £60 at a maximum push.

Oh and as a by product of this I will be selling the stock wheels, tyres and rotors that came with the Synapse - but need to wait for the box that the prolite wheels will come in before advertising!

daniel_b

No one have any suggestions?

At the minute I am thinking Panaracer Gravel Kings - the 32 apparently comes up as something like a 30, and these can be had for £24 each, OR Voyager Hypers - 32mm, these are £20 each, plus postage.
I'm kind of erring towards the Panaracers, as I think they might be a bit more off roady than the Voyagers.

bendertherobot

Daniel B wrote:

Afternoon,

well my new wheels are on, and I went for the cheapish option of 25mm £18 Durano Raceguard, which I thought were a good deal, and as I love the Durano Plus tyres on our winter bikes, seemed like a logical solution.

Over the weekend I will be placing an order for a pair of Pro Lite Revo wheels from Wiggle.

I want these, firstly as back up wheels, and secondly as wheels I can put on to do a bit of 'Adventure' or simply off road riding, hard packed trails etc - thought it might be fun to have the option anyway.

So bearing that in mind, and looking at the clearance on the pics above (Those were the 28mm tyres by the way) what tyres would people now recommend?
Oh and critically what size - I am thinking 32 would probably fit, but that 30 would probably be a safer bet.

I see the Hyper Voyagers are available in a 32 width for £20 a pop from PX.

Price wise, ideally £50 the pair, £60 at a maximum push.

Oh and as a by product of this I will be selling the stock wheels, tyres and rotors that came with the Synapse - but need to wait for the box that the prolite wheels will come in before advertising!

I'm toying with selling one pair of my Pro Lite Revo. Toying with. Mostly cos I really quite fancy some more Centrelocks. Mine are mint, as far as I recall. IF I were, would you be interested?

daniel_b

I have pm'd you matey.

I have ordered some 32mm Panaracer Gravel kings from Winstanleys for £23.99 each, plus they had the SRAM centreline rotors for a rather good, if random, £21.28 - all be it on a pre-order.

I have mostly gone for these over the Voyagers, as the Voyagers apparently come out at a true size, ie 32mm, and I'm worried that would be a bit tight, but on two reviews I have read now, the Panaracers come out 2mm narrower, and 30 is ideally what I was looking for.

Oh and FYI, Wiggle agreed to price match PX on the 32mm Voyagers, at £20 a pop, and I added a note to say postage would be free as I would add consumables on, and they went for that too.
Reluctantly I will not be taking them up on it, as I just think they will be a gnats whisker too wide, and I don't want to be carving out my carbon stays.