How good is Chris Froome?

above_the_cows

RichN95 wrote:

Shirley Basso wrote:

bompington wrote:

You're all talking mince, power is properly measured as (length of a jumbo jet) x (the weight of Wales) / (the length of time it takes a taxi driver behind you to sound his horn when the lights go green)³

It's width of a jumbo
Weight of a double decker.
AREA of Wales.

Come one now.

I though a Jumbo Jet was a unit of noise
And Double Decker is a unit of height
Weight is measured in elephants.

No Jumbo Jet is a Pro-Cycling team from the Netherlands.
Double Decker is a Dutch cyclist.
Weight is now measured in killer whales.
Time is measured in how long it takes Geraint Thomas to fall off.

Mad_Malx

Above The Cows wrote:

gotwood25 wrote:

This thread is class, keeping me royally entertained.

Off to convert my Trainer Road power zones to 'joules' now, got some Big Mac intervals tonight which I'm dreading.

I've just eaten a donut. Not sure what wattage I'll have to produce this on this evening's spin though.

Been discussed elsewhere:
https://www.insidescience.org/news/tour ... lly-donuts

apparently this Friday is (US) national donut day

bobmcstuff

gotwood25 wrote:

This thread is class, keeping me royally entertained.

Off to convert my Trainer Road power zones to 'joules' now, got some Big Mac intervals tonight which I'm dreading.

I would chuffing love it if Trainerroad had all my zones in big macs per hour.

It would probably be a bit depressing though, as I don't think the 45 minute one I did this morning adds up to one Big Mac.

above_the_cows

^^Ah but those are Jelly Donuts. I need ring donuts.

bobmcstuff

Above The Cows wrote:

Time is measured in how long it takes Geraint Thomas to fall off.

That reminds me of something I read in MBUK back when I was 14 and bought magazines.

The dictionary definition of a nanosecond is the length of time in which there is nothing wrong with your bike.

mamil314

bobmcstuff wrote:

gotwood25 wrote:

This thread is class, keeping me royally entertained.

Off to convert my Trainer Road power zones to 'joules' now, got some Big Mac intervals tonight which I'm dreading.

I would chuffing love it if Trainerroad had all my zones in big macs per hour.

It would probably be a bit depressing though, as I don't think the 45 minute one I did this morning adds up to one Big Mac.

It's quite easy, a calorie = 4.2 Joules. IIRC Zwift already offers conversion of burned calories into pizza slices.

Joule = Watt * s

above_the_cows

So if I go for a 40k ride this evening and average 28.5kph in 22 degree heat and 65% humidity how many pizza slices can I eat for my tea and can I have another donut for dessert?

Jez mon

mamil314 wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

gotwood25 wrote:

This thread is class, keeping me royally entertained.

Off to convert my Trainer Road power zones to 'joules' now, got some Big Mac intervals tonight which I'm dreading.

I would chuffing love it if Trainerroad had all my zones in big macs per hour.

It would probably be a bit depressing though, as I don't think the 45 minute one I did this morning adds up to one Big Mac.

It's quite easy, a calorie = 4.2 Joules. IIRC Zwift already offers conversion of burned calories into pizza slices.

Joule = Watt * s

Whats the conversion from Big macs to Pizza slices?

above_the_cows

Jez mon wrote:

mamil314 wrote:

bobmcstuff wrote:

gotwood25 wrote:

This thread is class, keeping me royally entertained.

Off to convert my Trainer Road power zones to 'joules' now, got some Big Mac intervals tonight which I'm dreading.

I would chuffing love it if Trainerroad had all my zones in big macs per hour.

It would probably be a bit depressing though, as I don't think the 45 minute one I did this morning adds up to one Big Mac.

It's quite easy, a calorie = 4.2 Joules. IIRC Zwift already offers conversion of burned calories into pizza slices.

Joule = Watt * s

Whats the conversion from Big macs to Pizza slices?

Muffin tops.

bompington

Shirley Basso wrote:

bompington wrote:

You're all talking mince, power is properly measured as (length of a jumbo jet) x (the weight of Wales) / (the length of time it takes a taxi driver behind you to sound his horn when the lights go green)³

It's width of a jumbo
Weight of a double decker.
AREA of Wales.

Come on now.

No, that's a different system you're using, good luck with it.

Wales has approximately 0.004% of the world's surface are, therefore 0.004% of the world's mass ≈ 2.5 x 10²ºkg.
A jumbo jet is about 60m long and the taxi driver's response time about a nanosecond, which means that our new unit - let's call it the JWT - converts at about 1JWT ≈ 1.5 x 10⁵¹W and Froome's sustainable power output is roughly 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000027JWT.

shirley_basso

bompington wrote:

Shirley Basso wrote:

bompington wrote:

You're all talking mince, power is properly measured as (length of a jumbo jet) x (the weight of Wales) / (the length of time it takes a taxi driver behind you to sound his horn when the lights go green)³

It's width of a jumbo
Weight of a double decker.
AREA of Wales.

Come on now.

No, that's a different system you're using, good luck with it.

Wales has approximately 0.004% of the world's surface are, therefore 0.004% of the world's mass ≈ 2.5 x 10²ºkg.
A jumbo jet is about 60m long and the taxi driver's response time about a nanosecond, which means that our new unit - let's call it the JWT - converts at about 1JWT ≈ 1.5 x 10⁵¹W and Froome's sustainable power output is roughly 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000027JWT.

Hang on, are you saying surface area coverts on a 1:1 basis for mass? I heard about tunnels in Wales where sheep are hidden are like a Menger's Sponge.

bompington

True, but there are unusually dense objects there too...

Vino'sGhost

bompington wrote:

Shirley Basso wrote:

bompington wrote:

You're all talking mince, power is properly measured as (length of a jumbo jet) x (the weight of Wales) / (the length of time it takes a taxi driver behind you to sound his horn when the lights go green)³

It's width of a jumbo
Weight of a double decker.
AREA of Wales.

Come on now.

No, that's a different system you're using, good luck with it.

Wales has approximately 0.004% of the world's surface are, therefore 0.004% of the world's mass ≈ 2.5 x 10²ºkg.
A jumbo jet is about 60m long and the taxi driver's response time about a nanosecond, which means that our new unit - let's call it the JWT - converts at about 1JWT ≈ 1.5 x 10⁵¹W and Froome's sustainable power output is roughly 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000027JWT.

Hmmmmm in that case he's obviously the greatest cyclist ever because the relative mass of Froome V the mountain x time taken to ascend X area of Wales.

EXCEPT your assumption that the worlds mass is a constant directly proportional to surface area. Flat countries (Holland) have significantly less actual surface area per square mile than mountainous areas. (Alps / dolomites / Andes etc. on account of the bits that go up and the bits that go down. They're also made of different material and depending on season may contain more or less water.

Taking that into account its obvious he got blue glowing doped up gills. (which casts light on the new SKY kit)

pblakeney

Does that mean Kevin Kostner plays him in the film?

kingstongraham

r0bh wrote:

Milemuncher1 wrote:

Nice to see your complete ignorance laid bare. A Watt is the product of Cadence and Torque, and is independent of duration of application. A Jolue ( depending on the application ) is a better measure of effort, when talking about cycling.The product of power and time, in this case. It’s a WattSecond, much like a KWh, is used to price energy.

I did a ride yesterday, average power 166W for 4.3 hours = 2569 kJ

So, as I understand your reasoning, this would be exactly equivalent to me riding at twice the power for half the time? 332W for 2.15 hours = 2569 kJ

Sounds great, apart from the fact that the latter ride would be absolutely impossible for me; I can ride at 332W for about 5 minutes :roll:

Have you tried flapping your legs about?

norvernrob

I’m lost, so is MM1 suggesting the Sky helpers feeding Froome during the stage should have given him cake instead of shampoo bottles? Then he would be able to produce more of those kj thingies and turn the motor off.

PhilipPirrip

NorvernRob wrote:

I’m lost, so is MM1 suggesting the Sky helpers feeding Froome during the stage should have given him cake instead of shampoo bottles? Then he would be able to produce more of those kj thingies and turn the motor off.

So it's not just Katusha finding a performance benefit from shampoo.

Maybe that's why kids in the US are eating Tide pods.

Mad_Malx

As Big Audio Dynamite tells us, E=mc^2

If we multiply the mass of Chris Frome (let's say 70 kg) by the speed of light squared (about 9 × 10^16 m^2 / s^2)
tells us he has about 6.3 x 10^18 kg.m^2 / s^2 of energy to burn.

Since 1 joule = 1 kg.m^2/s^2 then that's 6.3 x 10^15 kilojoules - easily enough to win a stage.

For ATC's benefit, by this method
1 donut is about 50g, so about 5x10^12 KJ (or 1x10^12 Kcal)

That all sounds about right to me.

phreak

We can safely assume from all this that Froome weighs the same as a duck.

tailwindhome

Some looks at watts to determine if a cyclist is doping, others judge joules.

cygnet

iainf72

Feels like I need to report this again

https://www.53x12.com/engine-vs-tank

No_Ta_Doctor

I just put in a big effort this evening.
Burger and chips. Scoffed it in about ten minutes, which is an incredible power input.

bobmcstuff

phreak wrote:

We can safely assume from all this that Froome weighs the same as a duck.

We need to see if he floats!

larkim

And how he quacks.

shirley_basso

What if he's a rabbit?

No_Ta_Doctor

Shirley Basso wrote:

What if he's a rabbit?

Then he's innocent, but he'll drown.

ddraver

*Fin*

m.r.m.

iainf72 wrote:

Feels like I need to report this again

https://www.53x12.com/engine-vs-tank

Good read. Thanks for linking.

m.r.m.

No tA Doctor wrote:

I just put in a big effort this evening.
Burger and chips. Scoffed it in about ten minutes, which is an incredible power input.

You need to get on a proper training regimen. If you want to take the step up to WT you can't avoid having to do intervals, so that would require further burgers and chips every 10 minutes. Otherwise we can only ever use you on Pan flat days or the odd focaccia maybe.