TDF standings question.

homers_double

I guess this should be in pro race but I'm after a simple, no nonsense answer.

If Cavendish has had three first and three second places then how come he isn't in the yellow at this point?

I understand that at some point he will be dropped in the mountains but so far he's crossed the line fastest and my understanding of a race is that he who comes first (and second three times) is going to be in the lead...

fenix

Really ?? Are you serious ?

It's done on time - so although he had the shortest time for three stages that he won - he's lost time on the other stages.

Almost 12k posts on here and you don't understand how bike races work ?

homers_double

His finish numbers are 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 1st.

Or am I just being thick?

Fenix wrote:

Almost 12k posts on here and you don't understand how bike races work ?

99% are from MTB where being the fastest generaly puts you in first place.

fenix

You're being thick.

TIME.

Not placings.

So position 2 COULD be 10 minutes down on position 1.

He's lost time in the stages that he hasn't placed on. Enough that other people have a smaller accumulated time.

In a bunch finish - if there's no 1 second clear gap between riders - the whole bunch gets given the same time.

So you could have someone at the back of the bunch crossing the line 10 or 20 secs later - but they are given the same time as the winner.

kingstongraham

homers double wrote:

His finish numbers are 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 1st.

Or am I just being thick?

No they aren't. He's finished 1st, 86th, 1st, 8th, 182nd and 1st. On the day he finished 182nd, he was 28 minutes behind the winner on the day.

You are looking at his position in the green jersey competition.

Wheelspinner

It's all about overall time for the GC (yellow jersey) - not stage finishes points. Cav is in the Green Jersey as the leading points scorer so far, but lags GvA in elapsed race total time.

Cav is about a half hour behind in total time already. thanks to Stage 5 where he came in 28 + mins *slower* than van Avermaet on the stage, in the last dozen or so riders to finish.

homers_double

*walks off, head held in shame*

veronese68

Just be glad you didn't ask in Pro Race. It's like a rally so it's the accumulation of time over all the stages, not the number of stages you win. Sprinters thing is different because it's about winning the sprints, but the inclusion of intermediate sprints part way along mean that he is unlikely to keep green as I understand it. He's never going to get the spotty top because even Stevo climbs better than him.

kingstongraham

http://netstorage.lequipe.fr/ASO/cyclis ... ent_BD.pdf

Enjoy.

Stevo_666

Veronese68 wrote:

He's never going to get the spotty top because even Stevo climbs better than him.

I'll take that as a compliment

veronese68

Stevo 666 wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

He's never going to get the spotty top because even Stevo climbs better than him.

I'll take that as a compliment

You've got to take them when you can, however tenuous.

Stevo_666

Veronese68 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

He's never going to get the spotty top because even Stevo climbs better than him.

I'll take that as a compliment

You've got to take them when you can, however tenuous.

No probs, I wouldn't want a spotty top anyway. That would look really w**k and roadie-like.

pblakeney

Veronese68 wrote:

Stevo 666 wrote:

Veronese68 wrote:

He's never going to get the spotty top because even Stevo climbs better than him.

I'll take that as a compliment

You've got to take them when you can, however tenuous.

As shown below.